Tha Original i30 Owners Club
GENERAL STUFF => GENERAL DISCUSSIONS => Random Chit Chat => Topic started by: Dazzler on June 24, 2010, 22:26:22
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I am going to try "Private Fleet" for my i45 purchase (waiting to test drive an i45 Active Manual first which comes out next month) I know a couple of our members including Mel in WA used them.. Any feedback folks? (any traps??)
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Hi Dazzler,
This is my experience with this group:-
I tried to go with Private Fleet for the ordering of my SLX. The guy who was assigned to me (his title was "buying manager") was really friendly but quite inept when the crunch came. In spite of me giving him specifics regarding the SLX model, he sought quotes for an SX model. I didn't know this until the paperwork came through and I had already started to order accessories for it. He was most apologetic about it but most incompetent also. He wasn't aware of the problem until I pointed it out to him.
The quotes that he got back for the SX were higher than the current Hyundai specials for the SX at the time. This was his day to day job, yet he didn't realize that Hyundai's price schedule was a "drive away, no more to pay" arrangement even though I had told him about that fact beforehand.
I ended up getting $1000 off the special price by just looking around.
Good luck... you have nothing to lose.
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Hi Dazzler,
This is my experience with this group:-
I tried to go with Private Fleet for the ordering of my SLX. The guy who was assigned to me (his title was "buying manager") was really friendly but quite inept when the crunch came. In spite of me giving him specifics regarding the SLX model, he sought quotes for an SX model. I didn't know this until the paperwork came through and I had already started to order accessories for it. He was most apologetic about it but most incompetent also. He wasn't aware of the problem until I pointed it out to him.
The quotes that he got back for the SX were higher than the current Hyundai specials for the SX at the time. This was his day to day job, yet he didn't realize that Hyundai's price schedule was a "drive away, no more to pay" arrangement even though I had told him about that fact beforehand.
I ended up getting $1000 off the special price by just looking around.
Good luck... you have nothing to lose.
sounds like he may have been trying to take advantage of you. :mad:
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I am going to try "Private Fleet" for my i45 purchase (waiting to test drive an i45 Active Manual first which comes out next month) I know a couple of our members including Mel in WA used them.. Any feedback folks? (any traps??)
is private fleet like a lease company,or they find a good purchase price for you.?
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They try to find a good purchase price for you.
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Thanks for the heads up Paolo!.. People in that line of work need to know the industry inside out... I do a lot of research about most things of interest to me and will be giving them well defined guidelines as to exactly what I want.. If their responses aren't sharp I will walk away.
Our member "Mel" in WA was pleased with the deal they negotiated for her.. I guess it may depend on which person you get assigned to your case.. :cool:
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sounds a bit like a car yard salesman,some are in the know and some just dont know. :rolleyes: :eek:
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sounds dodgy... i bet if you showed cash you could get a better price straight up
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According to "Chris" the guy from Private Fleet who contacted me said they contact most of the dealers around Australia (basically put my purchase out to Tender) and if I want to trade they do they same thing..(highest offer for my trade)
There is a one of lifetime membership fee of A$165 if they find a deal you are happy with and the car is delivered to your door with a full tank of fuel....I'll keep you posted (Nothing will happen for atleast a month though) :cool:
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nice! sounds like a good deal, but just remember "money talks, bull5h17 walks"
your not trading the i30 are you? *shakes fist in air* you better not be!
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nice! sounds like a good deal, but just remember "money talks, bull5h17 walks"
your not trading the i30 are you? *shakes fist in air* you better not be!
I have had my i30 for about 27 months and done over 65,000 kms I love it but the wife and I want something a bit bigger, quieter and more luxurious (we are well over 10 years older than you) I bought a Nissan Tiida sedan for the wife at the same time as the i30 and that has only done about 19,000 km in the same time, the wife is very happy with it and we would get a lot less for it than i30 if we sold or traded it so the i30 will have to go :'( if we end up buying an i45 (but will still come on here to talk to my friends regularly)
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i know how you feel about the "luxurious" thing! thats why i own the maxima, nothing like smacking it in D, sitting back in leather bound, climate controlled powerful luxuary!!
wow you have done quite a few km's in it! good to hear your not going yo abandon the i30 club!
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dont bale on us dazz. :eek: [im not saying dont update/upsize]
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dont bale on us dazz. :eek: [im not saying dont update/upsize]
Won't be doing that in a hurry..
Without taking anything away from i30dave i was the first one around to start spruiking the idea of an i30 club (on the caradvice forum) but Dave had the skills to get this club up and going while I was still talking about it...
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I had no problem at all with Private Fleet. The guy I dealt with was called Gavin. As I mentioned in my post about Private Fleet, I got the car around $1000 cheaper than what the dealer "just over the Causeway" wanted plus delivery and a full tank of fuel. The only time you talk directly with the dealership is when they are arranging delivery of the car.
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Thought I would try this mob too.
Rang me a million times with various quotes from dealers when all I cared about was the final price.
Quoted me a final price above the website quoted price then tried to tell me that the dealers told him that was to get the buyers into the dealership and there wasn't any stock at that price. Backed away from that statement when I told him that was called 'bait' advertising and if they had told him that was what was going on, the ACCC would be very interested. Seems looking at the Hyundai website was too much effort for him
Rang me again and told me they were about to place an order on 8 hyundais and i could piggy back on the order. I agreed subject to the price being good. It wasn't and he got most upset when I told him it wasn't anywhere near that offered by the company quoting for my lease.
The lease mob forgot the cruise control and in the end I got a better deal with cruise than they offered without. Just by sitting down with the dealer and knowing what was a good price and being able to shake for a deal.
The lease mob then got onto their contact and played the whole 'how can our customer get a better deal than us' and got a few hundred more off.
Wouldn't use them for anything other than getting an idea as to price, but from my experience it wont be that good.
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When I bought my i30 back in Jan 2009 Gavin told me that exact story about the 8 car order. I guess now that it was BS!
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I got all the extras I asked for on the car. The dealership that wouldn't budge on price (and wanted extra to deliver the car to me 1200km north of Perth - the going rate for that is upwards of $900) ended up being the dealership that supplied the car. I guess the salesman missed out on his commission :neutral:
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my hatch came from a yard somewhere in Perth,that's why i had to wait 3-4 weeks on shipping and pre delivery.i never got charged to freight it thousands of kms across the country. :rolleyes: :mrgreen:
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My problem is we only have one Hyundai dealer in Tasmania with four outlets so it is a bit (lot) harder to play one dealer against another for us down here...
If I can sell my CRDi privately on here or on some dedicated sales site it will help a lot...
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you could email a couple of dealers on the mainland and rustle up a good deal? its not that dear to catch the ferry to Melbourne and back. :idea: :mrgreen: one of us could even be your chauffeur for a day. :wink:
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you could email a couple of dealers on the mainland and rustle up a good deal? its not that dear to catch the ferry to Melbourne and back. :idea: :mrgreen: one of us could even be your chauffeur for a day. :wink:
Thanks Steve, May still do that (it was my plan A before I happened on Private fleet)
I trialled a few Melbourne dealers recently when shopping for Service parts but wasn't overly impressed (only one of the three even responded to my email!!!)
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may i ask who it was.?
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Honestly Dazz, you won't get a better price from a place like that than you could get yourself if you bargain hard enough. Unless the sale is to a legitimate fleet, the manufacturer won't give them any special bonuses.
Manufacturers don't like these things for a few reasons - for one, they want you to collect the car from your local dealership and establish a relationship with them so that you feel comfortable going there for service and the like. Also, dealers are supposed to make the experience special for the customer and having some random person show up with a car they have driven (in some cases hundreds of km) to your house isn't really an exciting outcome. Also you have no opportunity to inspect the car before it arrives, registered in your name and with mileage already on it. Makes it pretty hard to refuse to take delivery of it if you spot a dodgy repair or something.
I also think it's a good idea to establish a relationship with the local dealer in case you need their help down the track. If anything goes wrong and the car is off the road you have virtually no chance of the local dealer elevating you in the repair queue or lending you another vehicle to drive if you bought the car somewhere else. They are required to do any warranty repairs but they won't make a special effort to look after you if you didn't buy the car there. Not to overplay that angle, but as someone who worked in dealerships it can really make a difference.
My advice would be by all means shop around and get a good price, then go to the local dealer and tell them you want that deal or you'll go elsewhere. 9 times out of 10 they'll do it for you, and if they won't it's usually because the other dealer has a car that they particularly want to get rid of so they're prepared to sell it at a loss to someone who doesn't live near them. I could tell you some horror stories...
Just my 2 cents. :D
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... I could tell you some horror stories...
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that's a pretty good likeness actually Shambles! :lol:
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:lol: :lol:
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... I could tell you some horror stories...
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You're not Bill Tuckey are you MRH? :cool:
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You're not Bill Tuckey are you MRH? :cool:
About as grumpy, but I'm right more than he is. :P
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You're not Bill Tuckey are you MRH? :cool:
About as grumpy, but I'm right more than he is. :P
:lol: :lol: OK. So you're really "Romsey Quints" :wink:
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Just my 2 cents. :D
I can see where you are coming from Michael... For the purpose of this exercise I wish I lived in Canberra .. then I would have Canberra, Melbourne, Sydney and a heap of Country dealers to negotiate with.. Sometimes Bass Strait is a pain!!! From past experience Motors (my local dealer) drive a hard bargain because they know they can...
Because at this stage the i45 looks the best compromise for looks, performance economy and price I can't really walk away and buy a Mazda 6 diesel for example which is around A$10,000 more than the i45 active model...
P.S. I had a 30 Kilometre drive of a Commodore International (The 3.0litre V6 SIDI Special Edition) today. Terrific Value for that size of car at $34,490 for the Sedan with Leather Trim, 18" alloys, Cruise Control, Bluetooth, Auto Lights, Rear Parking Sensors etc. etc.. However, there were some things I didn't like .. The brakes were very wooden (didn't feel power assisted at all :eek:, the Instruments looked really "low rent" with no dressing up and the worst thing is the fuel economy on my loop which was about half open road and half around town (driving fairly economically) averaged 9.8 LPH according to the trip computer...Sorry "close, but no Cigar" :lol:
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but as you said... its a lot of car for the money... your getting more than most can offer, mabey you should comprimise fuel economy?
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but as you said... its a lot of car for the money... your getting more than most can offer, mabey you should comprimise fuel economy?
It only comes in a 6 speed Auto and didn't really feel lively enough after the CRDi :wink:
It was a bit too much like the Camry Hybrid a bit bland and boring to drive.. I liked the room, the big car ride and the quietness though.. I really liked the SV6 model better to look at and that is good value too Cloth Trim but a very nice body kit and spoiler etc.. for $35,990 (I think) but it comes with the 3.6 Litre motor which is even thirstier.. :rolleyes:
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yer and another thing... its GM so you can expect it to have a bagillionty warranty issues for stupid little things
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for one, they want you to collect the car from your local dealership and establish a relationship with them
I've heard from work collegues who have non Hy cars that this does play an important role if you have a dispute with the manufacturer.
1 bloke had nearly 2 years of to and froing . In the end he just got rid.
The garage are more inclined to give you help and sort things out on your behalf than an owner whose first vist to the dealers is because they want help in sorting out a problem.
I'm a great believer in using the dealer for service for the same reason as I find their prices are'nt that much different to independents where I live, sometimes cheaper!!!
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:lol: :lol: OK. So you're really "Romsey Quints" :wink:
I wish! I'm a huge Quints fan! :wink:
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I can see where you are coming from Michael... For the purpose of this exercise I wish I lived in Canberra .. then I would have Canberra, Melbourne, Sydney and a heap of Country dealers to negotiate with.. Sometimes Bass Strait is a pain!!! From past experience Motors (my local dealer) drive a hard bargain because they know they can...
Fair enuf Dazz, there's only one Hyundai dealer in Tas? I would still try to get a good quote from the mainland, add the cost of the ferry and hit them up with it. Of course, I haven't dealt with them so I don't know how amenable they are to negotiation, but at the end of the day most dealers would rather sell a car than not sell a car. Unfortunately, if they are the only dealer in Tas I think that's even more reason to try to come to some sort of satisfactory deal with them. You want to have a good relationship with at least one local-ish dealer. Of course, if they can't get within cooee of any other dealer then the answer is pretty simple...
And as for the Commodore, they do have a lot of fiddly warranty issues. The HFV6 isn't a particularly pleasant engine IMHO even after the SIDI addition which did improve matters, and they are catastrophically complicated (to the point where we had to replace an entire motor in one because one of the sensors failed) so worth avoiding from my experience. Also, the International, while it looks nice with the 18s, is basically an Omega with big wheels and unbelievably cheap leather. The stereo has no multimedia capability (except for an ipod jack with no control ability) and sounds rubbish. The only VE worth considering (and I worked at a Holden dealer too) is the SS or SS-V manual. And frankly, although they're a laugh to drive, I wouldn't be laying out my own money on one.
Give me an i45 anyday.
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Thanks Michael.. I love this site it's great to get all the varied opinions... :mrgreen:
Yes only one dealer in Tas (with four sites) I know the service Manager quite well as I have bought a lot of cars from them (and one of their predecessors who he used to work for) So I should be ok on that score..
Yes at around 31,500 drive away for an i45 Manual I think it is going to be hard to beat..Wish it would hurry up though :rolleyes:
I did a search for fuel efficient cars and i45/Sonata 2.4 GDI came up number one for "big" cars on a US site... :D (which I thought was a bit strange considering Camry Hybrid etc...)
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I did a search for fuel efficient cars and i45/Sonata 2.4 GDI came up number one for "big" cars on a US site... :D (which I thought was a bit strange considering Camry Hybrid etc...)
I'm probably going to get hung, drawn and quartered for this, but Hybrids are a complete furphy. It's a partial (and not very efficient or practical) solution to a much bigger problem. You can argue that they're smoother or quieter or whatever, but for the additional environmental damage from building them and the negligible fuel savings mean that they're a triumph of marketing nonsense over reality and common sense.
Common Rail Diesel and Direct Injection Petrol are a much better compromise while we're still reliant on oil. If we're going to get rid of oil burning cars let's do it properly rather than fiddle around at the edges building half-assed hybrids that do more harm than good and give some people a sense of self-righteous superiority because they "love the environment" and everyone else murders baby seals for fun.
My cousin is one of the worst offenders, she has a Lexus Hybrid that uses more than 10l/100km and has the gall to have the number plate "GAIA" (the earth godess) because her truck uses slightly less fuel than some other pretentious nitwit who bought a V6 Lexus. Whatever.
Oh, and those green "Hybrid" stickers that Toyota put on the number plates of their press-issue hybrids make me want to impale them on a large oriental disembowelling cutlass.
How's that for an off-topic rant? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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My cousin is one of the worst offenders, she has a Lexus Hybrid that uses more than 10l/100km and has the gall to have the number plate "GAIA" (the earth godess)...
How's that for an off-topic rant? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I expect Gaia wil be happier with her Lexus than her cousin if she ever reads that.:rolleyes:
Come on, tell us what you really think. 8)
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hey Dazz, i hope you ad i45 owners section in here so you can write about your new i45, & we don't loose you. could re name the forum i owners group.
cheers
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or we could have a section with other Hyundai models in it. :idea: [ i now duck for cover as shambles throws obscenity's.] :P :lol:
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Or Dazz could just start up an i45 owners club :eek:
I'd join it and post loads of i30 spam :lol:
No really, I would :P
Anyway, back to Private Fleet, whatever that is :rolleyes:
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Hey Dazz, i hope you ad i45 owners section in here so you can write about your new i45, & we don't loose you. could re name the forum i owners group.
cheers
Thanks for that John :wink: I would have to check with the "powers that be" but either way I ain't going anywhere.. :D
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That's good to hear Dazz - you could always buy a hybrid and we could have spirited and mutually respectful discussions about their merits... :cool:
...don't tho. :wink:
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...you could always buy a hybrid and we could have spirited and mutually respectful discussions about their merits...
...don't tho. :wink:
I'm with you there mate
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Lucky I didn't settle on the Camry Hybrid :-[
If it had been slightly more lively to drive, had been A$5000 cheaper and had a bigger boot (only about the same capacity as the i30 hatch thanks to a **itload of batteries) I would have been seriously tempted. I think it is the cost keeping it down to about 20-25% of Camry sales..
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Dazz, what about the ix35? they have a lively 2.0 CRDi R that has what looks like good Torque on paper.they look ok if your a SUV type also good for a man with a few acres :lol:
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Dazz, what about the ix35? they have a lively 2.0 CRDi R that has what looks like good Torque on paper.they look ok if your a SUV type also good for a man with a few acres :lol:
Hi John.. Mentioned this in the i45 thread... We are not SUV types (particularly the wife)
We did take one for a short drive.. The seats are very firm.. and found it noisy and not as reponsive as I expected it to be (yes it was the Diesel)
Like I said elsewhere probably only did 5kms but had the wife in my ear "why are we driving one of these.. I don't like the look of it.. The seats are too hard.. etc. etc..."
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Dazz, what about the ix35? they have a lively 2.0 CRDi R that has what looks like good Torque on paper.they look ok if your a SUV type also good for a man with a few acres :lol:
Hi John.. Mentioned this in the i45 thread... We are not SUV types (particularly the wife)
We did take one for a short drive.. The seats are very firm.. and found it noisy and not as reponsive as I expected it to be (yes it was the Diesel)
Like I said elsewhere probably only did 5kms but had the wife in my ear "why are we driving one of these.. I don't like the look of it.. The seats are too hard.. etc. etc..."
Sounds like my wife when i was test driving the Corolla.
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Dazz, what about the ix35? they have a lively 2.0 CRDi R that has what looks like good Torque on paper.they look ok if your a SUV type also good for a man with a few acres :lol:
Hi John.. Mentioned this in the i45 thread... We are not SUV types (particularly the wife)
We did take one for a short drive.. The seats are very firm.. and found it noisy and not as reponsive as I expected it to be (yes it was the Diesel)
Like I said elsewhere probably only did 5kms but had the wife in my ear "why are we driving one of these.. I don't like the look of it.. The seats are too hard.. etc. etc..."
Sounds like my wife when i was test driving the Corolla.
Yeah they are all the same :rolleyes: (I've had 3 .. and I'm not talking about ix35s or corollas) :lol:
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Yeah they are all the same :rolleyes: (I've had 3 .. and I'm not talking about ix35s or corollas) :lol:
WOW...
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I gave Private Fleet a try.....
The girl was very helpful and spent quite a bit of time trying to make me happy but at the end of the day the price just wasn't good enough to justify all the mucking around. Their best price was only $100 less than my local dealer.
Altho I would've liked to have bought locally, I ended up getting it from Wights in Traralgon (Victoria) as they really wanted my business.....
Saved me nearly $500 compared to the local dealer too....
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Saved me nearly $500 compared to the local dealer too....
I take it that it won't cost you $400 to go and collect the car
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Saved me nearly $500 compared to the local dealer too....
I take it that it won't cost you $400 to go and collect the car
Nope...it's less than an hours drive away...... :)
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Saved me nearly $500 compared to the local dealer too....
I take it that it won't cost you $400 to go and collect the car
Nope...it's less than an hours drive away...... :)
Good result then.
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Looks like I might be trading the 130 2moro :eek:
I appear to have negotiated an amazing deal all by myself on a ***** ****** demo model :mrgreen:
Will let you all know more when it is official.. :wink:
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Looks like I might be trading the 130 2moro :eek:
I appear to have negotiated an amazing deal all by myself on a ***** ****** demo model :mrgreen:
Will let you all know more when it is official.. :wink:
I'll take a guess - 5 and 6 word car!
whel barrow (had to use one "e" otherwise it wouldn't fit :lol:)
So is this good bye, sob sob sob
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Uh oh
Daz is doing a Camry Hybrid
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Are they doing the 5 year warranty on Toyolet's in Oz/Taz yet, they have just started doing it here....... :rolleyes:
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Are they doing the 5 year warranty on Toyolet's in Oz/Taz yet, they have just started doing it here....... :rolleyes:
Only 3 years but Hybrid has 8 years on the battery... :cool:
P.S. Nah, I'll still be around (which might make some happy...but others less so.... :lol:)