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Title: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: wedge69 on July 06, 2010, 20:10:33

Hello,

I'm pretty certain I am going to buy myself a new i30.  I live in the UK, where the 2011 model year has just been released, and I am looking at a petrol engine.  That gives me a choice of either the 1.4 or the 1.6.

I've driven both, and to be fair there isn't that much difference.  I drive about 15 miles to work, a mix of city driving and some A roads (50mph).  I'm slightly leaning towards the 1.4 as it's cheaper to buy and run, but if anyone has any great opinions then please let me know.

Cheers!

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Dazzler on July 06, 2010, 21:32:53

Welcome.. We don't get the 1.4 over her in OZ but all the feedback is that the 1.4 drives quite well and sounds more than adequate for your needs... Has got some good reviews too (Think it was the 1.4 petrol that got What Car "Small Car of the Year 2010" which is posted in news and reviews I believe)

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Shambles on July 06, 2010, 21:54:15

Hi Wedge. I saw your similar post on the H-F forum and you already got two favourable replies there (from members on here, obviously :P)

I echo what Dazzler said.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: hipposniper on July 06, 2010, 23:04:14

1.6
shame they dont do a 1.8 petrol or a 2.0ltr... or did i miss something

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Myowni30 on July 07, 2010, 01:16:42

I have the 1.4 and wish I had paid extra for the 1.6

I had a 1.6 as a courtesy car from the dealer. The difference is quite marked, even though on paper there's not to much difference. You have to plan ahead to over take in the 1.4, the 1.6 is much better.

Just MY personal feelings  :lol:

Others may disagree.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Dazzler on July 07, 2010, 11:20:52

That is interesting.. We used to have a 2006 1.6 Getz and my daughter got a 1.4 ex-rental of the same model. Our 1.6 was much zippier than her 1.4 and we seemed to get better and more consistent economy.  But... I am not sure if the Getz has the same series of motor as the European i30... :cool: 

I stick by my previous comment that 1.4 i30 owner feedback has been generally very positive but i guess it depends on your expectations and your previous vehicles..

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Sleddog on July 07, 2010, 14:56:11

My Getz is a 1.4 and its goes great for alittle car ,I win most traffic light grand prix
with out trying ,it just takes off.
As said before you just got to pick the right time to over take .I drive freeway alot and it sits on 120km and just humms along :cool: ,and uses very little fuel.
I commute 150km per day and does every thing I ask of it.
Not sure if the I30 is much heavier ,it might make a difference or carrying 4 adults alot.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: diablo on July 07, 2010, 16:59:22

Quote from: Dazzler on July 07, 2010, 11:20:52

I stick by my previous comment that 1.4 i30 owner feedback has been generally very positive but i guess it depends on your expectations and your previous vehicles..

As one of those feedback people, I previously had a Renault Laguna 2 litre petrol.

The 1.4 Hyundai isn't as quick in acceleration obviously, but not far short. There seems to be less torque at lower revs, so you need to use the gearbox more.

The Renault had lots of torque steer though, so making a quick getaway at a junction and turning into traffic was not always fun. No such problems with the i30 - ESP perhaps?

I use my car 98% as a city car though, so the 1.4 is fine for me. It all depends what sort of driver wedge69 is though I reckon - if he wants to overtake a lot on the A roads.

I might get an old Mitsubishi GTO or something as a fun car some day, but the Hyundai does me okay for day to day stuff. :)

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: eye30 on July 07, 2010, 19:20:58

I know you say your mileage is only 15 but think about the diesel.

I know it will cost more but 1.6 crdi the drive is effortless.

I see they have or had some good deals on the diesel.

I only do 7 to and 5 back but I have the diesel and even with my total of 12 miles a day I'm returning an average of 54 mpg.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: wedge69 on July 07, 2010, 21:17:01

I'm actually trading in a nine year old Skoda Octavia Tdi on the "Trade and upgrade" deal, so I'm used to a big heavy car!  I used to do 80 miles a day, so the diesel made sense then, but to be honest I can't afford the extra outlay for one now.

The 'A' roads are single carriage way, so there's not really much scope for much overtaking, unless you get stuck behind a tractor when you have to drop a gear anyway.

The 1.4 won the "What car" in the less than 13k catagory, which I don't think the 1.6 would fit into.

The posts here at the moment seem to be a 50/50 split....maybe I will toss a coin!

One thing I have decided on - Steel Grey Metallic.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: babis_xo on July 07, 2010, 21:53:39

Hi wedge69 and welcome!

I'll put it straight:
- If you're single, pick 1.4
- If you like overtaking when travelling with missus + 2 kids + full luggage and a/c on, then... :rolleyes:

I'm more than satisfied with my 1.4 but i miss the extra power under conditions described above.

BTW, nice color! :)

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: diablo on July 08, 2010, 09:15:24

HonestJohn says -

Quote

RHD 1.4i petrol

3 weeks prior to the UK launch I had the chance to drive a RHD 1.6 CRDI, and a 1.4i petrol version.

The diesel drove and handled identically to the LHD version tested in Austria. However, in typical UK conditions, it was notably refined. Apart from its power delivery you could not tell it was a diesel from either the driver or the passenger seat. Almost no diesel rattle at all.

But the big surprise was the smallest engine. The 109PS 1.4i is sweet, free-revving and refined. The car feels easily as quick as a 1.6 Focus and, though geared at a quite low 20mph per 1,000rpm in top, it was happy to cruise at 4,000rpm without droning.

The lighter engine also helps its handling. The car felt much more agile than the diesel on the same 205/55R16 Kumho tyres.

Do the sums and at £2,000 cheaper than the 1.6 CRDI and £200 less fuel cost per 10,000 miles it’s going to take 100,000 miles to make up the difference in purchase price.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tests/hyundai/hyundai-i30


Buy from a discount house and they are somewhat cheaper -

http://www.carpricechecker.co.uk/new/HYUNDAI/I30/prices

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Shambles on July 08, 2010, 09:48:34

^--  I see that review is 3 years old, but even so I can't see why HonestJohn would say the 1.4i would be £200 cheaper on fuel over 10,000 miles than the diesel :eek:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Mike SX on July 08, 2010, 10:46:42

Quote from: Shambles on July 08, 2010, 09:48:34

HonestJohn

Name is Peter Lorimer. I will ask the actual Fuel Range Tester/Technician (Peter DeNayer), when I get home this weekend. They rave about the diesels, (persuaded me to buy two), but published details did seem different....
The diesels are much more responsive & of course fuel efficient.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: accim on July 08, 2010, 15:03:43

A 1.4 is a excellent choice if you ask me. Over here, you can get 1.4 quite "cheap", because if you buy 1.6, you automatically have to buy it with more equipment etc.

I've driven both 1.4 (109hp) and 1.6 petrol engines. Somewhere, they even sell 1.4 with 90 hp engine (in Slovenia, they started selling Kia Ceed with that engine), so pay attention, because you don't want that one. Trust me. The 1.4 with 109hp one is quite okay. Goes nice, insurance (over here) is noticeably cheaper then 1.6 one and it costs less from the start. You can go even relatively fast with it, maybe the engine has some "issues" with overtaking (especially at speed above 80 km/h), but other than that, it's not that bad at all.

If I tell you the truth, I think the difference between 1.6 engine and 1.4 isn't as big as it "should be".

In the end, I would go with what babis_xo said.

Before buying, I would strongly advise to try them both out.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: diablo on July 08, 2010, 15:21:20

Quote from: Shambles on July 08, 2010, 09:48:34

^--  I see that review is 3 years old, but even so I can't see why HonestJohn would say the 1.4i would be £200 cheaper on fuel over 10,000 miles than the diesel :eek:

I think that paragraph is just badly worded. I think it is meant to read that the diesel will be £200 cheaper over 10,000 miles.

I did some sums before I got my car, which went along these lines -

petrol  -  10,000 miles at 34mpg, 120 per litre = £1604
diesel  -  10,000 miles at 54mpg, 122.9 per litre = £1027

which is £570 cheaper. Though I'm working on urban mpg figures only there - as appropriate to my needs. The 1.4 does 40+ in mixed driving.

Since I only do approx 10,000 miles over three years and at time of purchase the diesel was approx £2,200 more to buy it would have taken well over ten years to make up the difference. And that is without the increased servicing costs for the oil burner.

If I did 6000 miles per year or more then I would probably have made a different decision.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: wedge69 on July 08, 2010, 17:50:09

Thanks again for the advice.  I have read about every review I can find on the internet, and they all seem to say the 1.4 is almost as good as the 1.6.  I might give each one another go, but I am leaning towards the 1.4.  I'l let you know when I have bought one!  Oh, it will be the "2011" model year version.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: bumpkin on July 08, 2010, 20:44:57

Quote from: eye30 on July 07, 2010, 19:20:58

I only do 7 to and 5 back but I have the diesel and even with my total of 12 miles a day I'm returning an average of 54 mpg.

 :eek: :eek: :eek:

Is there tectonic movement or something that moves your work two( :exclaim:) miles closer to home at night :question: :question:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Shambles on July 08, 2010, 20:47:19

^--- :lol: I think Lester always finds a quicker route home. Same here. Takes longer to get to work (somehow) but far faster to return home :lol:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: eye30 on July 09, 2010, 12:32:25

Quote from: bumpkin on July 08, 2010, 20:44:57

Quote from: eye30 on July 07, 2010, 19:20:58

I only do 7 to and 5 back but I have the diesel and even with my total of 12 miles a day I'm returning an average of 54 mpg.

 :eek: :eek: :eek:

Is there tectonic movement or something that moves your work two( :exclaim:) miles closer to home at night :question: :question:

Leave home. Turn left, busy road so turning right can take sometime. Left onto Mway, left off Mway. Right at roundabout, left at junction, 1 set of lights straight on, another set of light straight on. Left and right turn into car park.

Going home. Left. 1 set of lights straight on, another set of light straight on. Left before Mway and take A road straight on.  Left at roundabout, not the one going to work.  1 set of lights straight on, left, right, left and Home!

The reason I don't use Mway going home is at the junction I leave you get back up of traffic.

Hence the difference of 2 miles.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: moxey on July 09, 2010, 14:47:14

I have a 1.4, 2010 petrol and i travel around 20 miles a day in traffic and it is returning 49.8 mpg cant argue with that

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: diablo on July 09, 2010, 17:53:14

Quote from: eye30 on July 09, 2010, 12:32:25

Quote from: bumpkin on July 08, 2010, 20:44:57

Quote from: eye30 on July 07, 2010, 19:20:58

I only do 7 to and 5 back but I have the diesel and even with my total of 12 miles a day I'm returning an average of 54 mpg.

 :eek: :eek: :eek:

Is there tectonic movement or something that moves your work two( :exclaim:) miles closer to home at night :question: :question:

Leave home. Turn left, busy road so turning right can take sometime. Left onto Mway, left off Mway. .  <snip>
The reason I don't use Mway going home is at the junction I leave you get back up of traffic.

Hence the difference of 2 miles.

I had assumed that you popped into a 24 hour pub on the way to get a stiffener* before an arduous day at work. But obviously wrong there. 

* my girlfriend, Duff, says that I should point out that I was meaning a drink, for the benefit of Aussie readers.  :lol:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: bumpkin on July 09, 2010, 20:01:06

Quote from: diablo on July 09, 2010, 17:53:14

I had assumed that you popped into a 24 hour pub on the way to get a stiffener* before an arduous day at work. But obviously wrong there. 

* my girlfriend, Duff, says that I should point out that I was meaning a drink, for the benefit of Aussie readers.  :lol:

 :-[ :-[ :P :P

(click to show/hide)

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/397300.html

Sorry mate, couldn't resist :twisted: :twisted: :razz:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: wedge69 on July 12, 2010, 18:10:02

Well, I've ordered a 1.4 petrol comfort, 2011 MY.

I'll let you know when it comes!

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Lorian on July 12, 2010, 18:40:51

Quote from: wedge69 on July 12, 2010, 18:10:02

Well, I've ordered a 1.4 petrol comfort, 2011 MY.
I'll let you know when it comes!

Good stuff, keep us posted.

Quote from: diablo on July 09, 2010, 17:53:14

* my girlfriend, Duff, says that I should point out that I was meaning a drink, for the benefit of Aussie readers.  :lol:

(http://inplacenews.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/0626viagra1.jpg)

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: L30N on July 13, 2010, 06:04:25

Quote from: wedge69 on July 12, 2010, 18:10:02

Well, I've ordered a 1.4 petrol comfort, 2011 MY.

I'll let you know when it comes!

Good choice! Road tax is slightly cheaper too on the 1.4 I think.

Quote from: babis_xo on July 07, 2010, 21:53:39

- If you like overtaking when travelling with missus + 2 kids + full luggage and a/c on, then... :rolleyes:

Slightly agree but I don't think you'll find acceleration too much of a problem once you get to know your gears, shame there isn't a 6th for the motorways though.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: babis_xo on July 13, 2010, 23:12:35

Quote from: L30N on July 13, 2010, 06:04:25

Quote from: wedge69 on July 12, 2010, 18:10:02

Well, I've ordered a 1.4 petrol comfort, 2011 MY.

I'll let you know when it comes!

Good choice! Road tax is slightly cheaper too on the 1.4 I think.
Plus more affordable services and consumption :wink:

Quote from: babis_xo on July 07, 2010, 21:53:39

- If you like overtaking when travelling with missus + 2 kids + full luggage and a/c on, then... :rolleyes:

Slightly agree but I don't think you'll find acceleration too much of a problem once you get to know your gears,
I found easier to get to know my a/c-off button :lol:

shame there isn't a 6th for the motorways though.
a little noisy between ~4.000 and ~4.200. I keep revs <4.000 or >4.200 :mrgreen:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: wedge69 on July 14, 2010, 20:50:32

After being told I wouldn't get it to August the dealer rang today to say they had it!  Apparently Hundai had one lying around on the dockside somewhere!

Annoying thing is, it's going to take three days for the bank to transfer my money to where I need it  :evil:

Still, hopefully Monday....

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Shambles on July 14, 2010, 20:55:07

Good luck mate. We're right behind you :D

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: clackerz on July 15, 2010, 00:02:29

Can't wait to see the pics....

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: bumpkin on July 15, 2010, 08:57:41

 :cool: :cool: :cool:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: wedge69 on July 16, 2010, 20:09:51

Why's it not Monday yet?!

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Shambles on July 16, 2010, 20:45:28

Quote from: wedge69 on July 16, 2010, 20:09:51

Why's it not Monday yet?!

Steady on tiger :lol: patience is a virtue :D

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: 2i30s on July 17, 2010, 12:31:18

Quote from: sǝlqɯɐɥs on July 16, 2010, 20:45:28

Quote from: wedge69 on July 16, 2010, 20:09:51

Why's it not Monday yet?!

Steady on tiger :lol: patience is a virtue :D

  :lol: :razz:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: eye30 on July 17, 2010, 12:54:21

2 more sleeps  :lol:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: 2i30s on July 17, 2010, 13:05:51

its like a child waiting for christmas day.  :P

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Shambles on July 17, 2010, 13:30:40

Quote from: 2i30s on July 17, 2010, 13:05:51

its like a child waiting for christmas day.  :P

Wouldn't you be excited waiting for a car that does email and bacon? :lol:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/15c7f671.jpg)

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: eye30 on July 17, 2010, 14:22:51

Quote from: sǝlqɯɐɥs on July 17, 2010, 13:30:40

Quote from: 2i30s on July 17, 2010, 13:05:51

its like a child waiting for christmas day.  :P

Wouldn't you be excited waiting for a car that does email and bacon? :lol:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/15c7f671.jpg)

?

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: bumpkin on July 17, 2010, 18:46:37

 :lol: :lol: :lol: ROFL Steve, that really tickled my funny bone mate :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: Dazzler on July 17, 2010, 23:10:57

Hey Lester .. I think Steve is referring to the symbols on either side of the vents (he's pretty clever for a manc  :lol:)

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: eye30 on July 18, 2010, 12:39:36

Quote from: Dazzler on July 17, 2010, 23:10:57

Hey Lester .. I think Steve is referring to the symbols on either side of the vents (he's pretty clever for a manc  :lol:)

Completely lost me.  Must be some Manc thing!

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: agentr31 on July 18, 2010, 12:52:19

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL that had me in stitches!!

i see yours is switched to bacon!!!

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: wedge69 on July 19, 2010, 19:32:10

Woooooooo, I haz i30!

I'll post in the "introduce yourself" section.

Title: Re: 1.4 vs 1.6 petrol - help me decide!
Post by: agentr31 on July 20, 2010, 09:21:30

yeahaw!!