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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => DIESEL => Topic started by: Duke750 on November 15, 2010, 21:20:43

Title: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Duke750 on November 15, 2010, 21:20:43
Had an interesting drive on the weekend up the Bruce Hwy to Rainbow Beach. On a number of occasions either going up a hill, overtaking or just accelerating the tacho would increase through 2,000-2,400 rpm and then rev up to 4,000rpm without changing gear. Very disconcerting.

I30 has only done 45K, and just had 45K service.

Going to dealer tomorrow.
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: agentr31 on November 16, 2010, 07:24:04
did the engine speed actually change or just the tacho...

"could" be a slipping clutch...
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Dazzler on November 16, 2010, 07:43:33
did the engine speed actually change or just the tacho...

"could" be a slipping clutch...

Sure sounds like it (or an ECU glitch?)..

Hope it is an easy fixed (not commonly reported on here)  :cool:
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: agentr31 on November 16, 2010, 07:59:31
wait... its says "automatic over-revs"

might be nasty if the auto is doing silly things... autos are never cheap to rebuild...
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Dazzler on November 16, 2010, 08:18:45
wait... its says "automatic over-revs"

might be nasty if the auto is doing silly things... autos are never cheap to rebuild...

 :-[  (It is easy to not read the heading .. just the first post.. and get confused)
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Duke750 on November 16, 2010, 08:20:21
I assume that this is covered under warranty.

No, the engine speed did not change. My initial response was "bands". Do they still have "bands" in auto transmissions?
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Dazzler on November 16, 2010, 08:21:37
I assume that this is covered under warranty.

No, the engine speed did not change. My initial response was "bands". Do they still have "bands" in auto transmissions?

Only in CVT ones I think (but I am no mechanic...)  :cool:
Title: Re: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Lorian on November 16, 2010, 08:23:52
If the tacho increases but the revs don't really And it didn't change down then its probably a sensor or  dial fault.

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Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Duke750 on November 17, 2010, 08:06:23
Took car to dealer today. Replicated and identified issue as problems changing between 2nd and 3rd gears. Scan log sent to Hyundai Aust for analysis. Waiting for response.
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Shambles on November 17, 2010, 08:24:01
Thanks for the update - it'll be interesting to see how this pans out....
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: agentr31 on November 17, 2010, 09:33:35
I assume that this is covered under warranty.

No, the engine speed did not change. My initial response was "bands". Do they still have "bands" in auto transmissions?


not sure mate... i thought they had "clutch packs" although what i think is a "clutch" is called a "drive plate" by nissan in the manual for my maxima...

who knows there are literally a thousand pieces in an auto...
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: 2i30s on November 17, 2010, 10:16:51
I assume that this is covered under warranty.

No, the engine speed did not change. My initial response was "bands". Do they still have "bands" in auto transmissions?


not sure mate... i thought they had "clutch packs" although what i think is a "clutch" is called a "drive plate" by nissan in the manual for my maxima...

who knows there are literally a thousand pieces in an auto...
and they are computerised also.
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Duke750 on November 19, 2010, 02:18:58
I have been advised that Hyundai Aust wants my dealer to check the vacuum in my automatic transmission. Will keep you posted on what this means and what the outcome is.
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Dazzler on November 19, 2010, 10:06:46
I have been advised that Hyundai Aust wants my dealer to check the vacuum in my automatic transmission. Will keep you posted on what this means and what the outcome is.

Hope they get it sorted soon.. If you get a choice ask for a Dyson.. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: LuciferDarklord on November 20, 2010, 09:15:45
Not sure about this particular model, but most still have bands - although they are self adjusting.  Most of the inside of the trans hasnt changed since the '50s except they are controlled by computers instead of complicated hydraulics.  Traditional autos decided when to change by a shift in balance between 'throttle pressure' and 'governor pressure'.  Throttle pressure is derived directly from a sliding valve attached to the throttle via cable (or a vacuum modulator in some others). Governor pressure is related to the vehicles speed and is derived from a governor valve spinning on the output shaft with a flyweight on it.  Light throttle, low throttle pressure, governor pressure overcomes throttle pressure early and forces the shift valves to flip over early.  Opposite happens when you hold your foot flat.  Now its just solenoids controlling when the trans shifts.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automatic-transmission10.htm (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automatic-transmission10.htm)
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Duke750 on November 25, 2010, 10:33:37
Thanks for the explanation.

Hyundai Aust have advised my dealer to replace the gearbox. Waiting for it to arrive.
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: eye30 on November 25, 2010, 18:20:05

Hyundai Aust have advised my dealer to replace the gearbox. Waiting for it to arrive.

Probably cheaper to replace than to strip down
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Myowni30 on November 25, 2010, 19:32:21
Wonder why the 6 Speed Auto is not used in the i30 yet.

See here December 2008 news (http://www.carpages.co.uk/hyundai/hyundai-23-12-08.asp) (opens in a new window).
Title: Re: Automatic over-revs instead of changing gear
Post by: Dazzler on November 25, 2010, 23:19:14
It is all cost versus benefit (to sales that is)

Over here the i30 is selling well enough they haven't even given us the 6 speed manual  :mad:
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