Hehehe, pip, I couldn't agree more..... :razz:
And of course if you decide to travel interstate, you're also required to know their Road Rules.... :whistler:
:honk: :TutTut: :censored: :groan:Hehehe, pip, I couldn't agree more..... :razz:
And of course if you decide to travel interstate, you're also required to know their Road Rules.... :whistler:
Very much agree with both of you :goodjob: I'm going to be nervous opening our letter box for the next couple of months after our recent trip :sweating:
And of course if you decide to travel interstate, you're also required to know their Road Rules.... :whistler:
Australia should do the same thing and make the road rules uniform throughout the country,not state by state. :confused: :fum:And of course if you decide to travel interstate, you're also required to know their Road Rules.... :whistler:
At least here in UK and Eire only one set of rules.
Not as easy as it sounds, Steve....especially when we have trams in some States.
And, uniform laws would mean that speed limits in the Northern Territory would be dropped to bring them into line. Would we really want to be travelling those vast distances at 100-110kph? :eek:
Not as easy as it sounds, Steve....especially when we have trams in some States.
And, uniform laws would mean that speed limits in the Northern Territory would be dropped to bring them into line. Would we really want to be travelling those vast distances at 100-110kph? :eek:
Not as easy as it sounds, Steve....especially when we have trams in some States.
And, uniform laws would mean that speed limits in the Northern Territory would be dropped to bring them into line. Would we really want to be travelling those vast distances at 100-110kph? :eek:
Simple to do rustynutz, trams, no trams, what does it matter. If you encounter a tram the same rules should apply.
SA/NT are about the same land area & we are stuck at 100kmh absolute. :neutral:
Given our long distances between towns, I wonder why Europeans get to drive much faster that we can. We've got further to go and less snow, ice etc :undecided:
Given our long distances between towns, I wonder why Europeans get to drive much faster that we can. We've got further to go and less snow, ice etc :undecided:
Good question, I'll try to answer that:
- The longer the distance is, the longer you remain exposed to the risk of a potential accident, so low speed is essential.
- The larger in area countries encourage low consumption by enforcing low speeds, otherwise they would need lots of oil imports.
- Big cars commonly sold outside Europe, used to have ridiculously soft suspensions and couldn't hold on the road.
- Europeans are better drivers :p
:rofl:
On the serious side now, Sweden and UK have the most dangerous weather conditions as with the lowest (by far) percentage of accidents (respect to our friends here) :)
:lol: :lol: Let's make it on gravel :)
People fom Vic...
why can't anyone hold a lane here? or stay on their side of the road around a bend?
or park properly? or keep safe distances or change lanes safely? or learn when not to use fog lights? or remember to turn their lights on at night? or drive at a proper speed through car parks? or not drive through bike lanes? or give way at roundabouts? etc etc etc
grrrrrrrr
People fom Vic...
why can't anyone hold a lane here? or stay on their side of the road around a bend?
or park properly? or keep safe distances or change lanes safely? or learn when not to use fog lights? or remember to turn their lights on at night? or drive at a proper speed through car parks? or not drive through bike lanes? or give way at roundabouts? etc etc etc
grrrrrrrr
Too true QC (Are you a barrister? :whistler:). I live in a suburb which has NO traffic lights; just lots of roundabouts and both locals and visitors seem to have no knowledge of the rules concering the use of indicators.People fom Vic...
why can't anyone hold a lane here? or stay on their side of the road around a bend?
or park properly? or keep safe distances or change lanes safely? or learn when not to use fog lights? or remember to turn their lights on at night? or drive at a proper speed through car parks? or not drive through bike lanes? or give way at roundabouts? etc etc etc
grrrrrrrr
Don't worry, it's not just Victoria lol. And lets not forget to mention the use of indicators. This is one of my pet peeves.
Too true QC (Are you a barrister? :whistler:). I live in a suburb which has NO traffic lights; just lots of roundabouts and both locals and visitors seem to have no knowledge of the rules concering the use of indicators.
Roundabouts are something which are rarely done right. I don't see what's so difficult either.I have to say I prefer the roundabouts to traffic lights. More chance to "play". But then some guys think "playing" includes doing burnouts around the roundabouts. But if we had traffic lights, they'd be dragging off from the stop. :evil:
My youngest daughter can even do it right (she had a good teacher :lol:) but 90% of drivers just don't know. :rolleyes:
You can still signal your exit on a small roundabout. :confused:
You can still signal your exit on a small roundabout. :confused:Trouble is some of them are so small that in order to signal your intention to exit, you are putting the indicators on BEFORE the previous exit, which is dangerously confusing.
Traffic lights can be very time-consuming.
Some seem to be programmed to change when triggered and others are obviously on a time cycle.
Trouble is some of them are so small that in order to signal your intention to exit, you are putting the indicators on BEFORE the previous exit, which is dangerously confusing.
I'm a freak when it comes to indicating,
Amazing thread - it took all of one message to go way off topic...
For example, in NSW I understand that U-turns are illegal unless signposted. Here in Vic, the opposite is true. (personally, I think the NSW idea is better, particularly for us motorcyclists who've been collected by dickwads doing U-turns, whether legal or otherwise).
I'm a freak when it comes to indicating,
With lights or hands :lol:
I'm a freak when it comes to indicating,
With lights or hands :lol:
With my hands of course! :D ... there's another way to indicate? :O
I don't. I think that they're dangerous and too many people don't understand the basics of U turns, particularly the minor aspect that you shall give way to ALL traffic when doing them.
Personally, I like the Victorian setup as you can perform a U turn just about anywhere unless there's a sign (or a road rule) telling you otherwise...
So the problem really isn't the road rule as such but people's lack of knowledge of the rules and their casual attitude to looking properly before performing one....
Well, to me that makes it a bad rule and therefore, a dangerous one, regardless of how it's treated by the bad drivers who can't competantly perform one.
Btw, I'd like to compare stats between the 2....
8 September 2009. November brings changes to road rules in Victoria, with new requirements for U-turns, navigation devices and mobile phone use which will bring the State into line with nationally-set standards.
According to Roads Minister Tim Pallas the changes included preventing overtaking and U-turns over single unbroken dividing lines. Motorists will be able to perform a U-turn or overtake across broken dividing lines, or where there a no centre lines at all.
“U-turns alone have caused 19 deaths and 654 serious between 2004 and 2008. There were 1524 U-turn crashes in Victoria in that period. These changes will therefore have a significant impact towards improving safety on our roads,” Mr Pallas said.
Btw, I'd like to compare stats between the 2....
I'm looking.
So far I've found this:
http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/general/bikes-and-riding/10568/ (http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/general/bikes-and-riding/10568/)Quote8 September 2009. November brings changes to road rules in Victoria, with new requirements for U-turns, navigation devices and mobile phone use which will bring the State into line with nationally-set standards.
According to Roads Minister Tim Pallas the changes included preventing overtaking and U-turns over single unbroken dividing lines. Motorists will be able to perform a U-turn or overtake across broken dividing lines, or where there a no centre lines at all.
“U-turns alone have caused 19 deaths and 654 serious between 2004 and 2008. There were 1524 U-turn crashes in Victoria in that period. These changes will therefore have a significant impact towards improving safety on our roads,” Mr Pallas said.
A report from a SA university. Note, only Victoria permits U Turns at traffic light intersections. Elsewhere, they're permited only if a sign says so.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CFgQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcasr.adelaide.edu.au%2Fcasrpubfile%2F17%2FCASR017.pdf&ei=h7ApUKiRH62hiAfS2oHIBA&usg=AFQjCNHQm56hK7kGbOAZ90vx2UqZf93-TA (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CFgQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcasr.adelaide.edu.au%2Fcasrpubfile%2F17%2FCASR017.pdf&ei=h7ApUKiRH62hiAfS2oHIBA&usg=AFQjCNHQm56hK7kGbOAZ90vx2UqZf93-TA)
I don't have the time to conduct proper research. But, we (Victoria) are out of step with the rest of the country and that should not be the case.
During my limited research I found discussions on other forums where, for example, Victorians visiting in QLD were standout in that they ignored the "no U turn" rule because there were no signposts banning them.
The whole idea of having a National Transport Commission in Can'tberra set up to formulate road safety policies and the ARRs is to ensure a safe road network based on conformity of rules and standards.
Clearly that is not happening.
We have located no research that indicates that a “U-turn permitted” treatment would be irresponsible.
The new no passing unbroken rule, I think, was aimed squarely at motorcyclists who frequent the Black Spur and other similar roads in the Dandenongs.
While some alterations do make sense, you gotta wonder at times whether it's a case of fiddling just to justify their positions... :undecided:
While some alterations do make sense, you gotta wonder at times whether it's a case of fiddling just to justify their positions... :undecided:
Exactly right, they're a bunch of w****rs :fum:
Sorry, bit what is a WOFTAM :question:Don't waste your time asking... :P
Still think that the government should be considering a common uniform set of road rules for the whole of OZ and Tassie.
For you, Phil... :)
http://www.amazingaustralia.com.au/woftams.htm (http://www.amazingaustralia.com.au/woftams.htm)
The whole of Oz makes sense, but not too sure about Tassie :rofl:
I mean, they're overseas.
Still think that the government should be considering a common uniform set of road rules for the whole of OZ and Tassie.
The whole of Oz makes sense, but not too sure about Tassie :rofl:
I mean, they're overseas.
Still think that the government should be considering a common uniform set of road rules for the whole of OZ and Tassie.
The whole of Oz makes sense, but not too sure about Tassie :rofl:
I mean, they're overseas.
Lol! this made me giggle. Poor Tassie.
If Gillard was still in Power we might abdicate :P
Thanks Martin...I don't usually buy newspapers, any chance of you scanning the article and posting it up?
We've done away with rego stickers in WA.Well, you'd better stay out of the Eastern States then - or bring your chequebook. :snigger: :wink:
We've done away with rego stickers in WA.Well, you'd better stay out of the Eastern States then - or bring your chequebook. :snigger: :wink:
As for the "logic" behind allocation of demerit points for various offences, yes, there are some mind boggling ones there.
I can't work out why not having a current rego sticker is a heavier fine than some offences that can actually kill people. It's a redundant requirement, given the resources that police have to ID car details these days.
We've done away with rego stickers in WA.Well, you'd better stay out of the Eastern States then - or bring your chequebook. :snigger: :wink:
It's a grey area. I think I previously mentioned on here the case of a young Qld P plater travelling in NSW with her parents. In Qld you can display L and P plates on the glass (as long as they aren't affecting visibility). In NSW they must be below glass level. Somewhere around Armidale an over zealous cop decided to book her for the "offence". She wasn't doing anything else wrong.We've done away with rego stickers in WA.Well, you'd better stay out of the Eastern States then - or bring your chequebook. :snigger: :wink:
Interesting point.
If they aren't supplied by our state authority, it's a bit difficult to comply when visiting other states and territories.
I reckon that's a defence that would get you off.
So you'd rather I ignored your mistake then? :snigger:It's not a mistake but yes, I'd be happy if you ignore my posts.
I hope you were having a lend surferdude,No.
Detecting Unregistered vehicles is getting easier for the police, even with no registration labels.
Remember this piece of equipment... 'ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition)
Detecting Unregistered vehicles is getting easier for the police, even with no registration labels.
Remember this piece of equipment... 'ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition)
Yes, amazing technology :goodjob2:
I like the term Taspol (sounds a bit like Interpol) :happydance:
I think so.. The State budget is very tight these days but think they got it before the last cost cutting. I hope so anyway, I am all for catching the dodgy unregistered drivers and crims :goodjob2:
I like the term Taspol (sounds a bit like Interpol) :happydance:
Still think that the government should be considering a common uniform set of road rules for the whole of OZ and Tassie.
Still think that the government should be considering a common uniform set of road rules for the whole of OZ and Tassie.
Anyway back to cipot. What are the chances of this happening?