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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => TYRES | WHEELS | BRAKES => Topic started by: Surferdude on June 29, 2011, 10:15:47
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Finally I got tyred ( :D) of waiting for my Hankooks to wear out the last millimetre of tread and replaced them.
New tyres are 195/65R15 Goodyear Duraplus.
They are asymmetric and one of my reasons for choosing these was because of the positive experience I had with a hire car in the UK last year on a similar treaded Continental.
Over the last few months I've had the opportunity to fit a number of these to i30s and other makes/models.
So today at 28,815 klms I fitted the four new tyres.
I've travelled 85 klms on them so far (trip home from work).
My initial impressions are as follows.
Very smooth to drive on.
Surprisingly quiet. I expected this but not to the level of difference I've got. They do not react as badly on some of the more coarse surfaces. They are pretty quiet across the board. The BIG thing is, I was halfway home and noticed that I could hear the radio more clearly. I checked the setting which I normally run at about 11 - 12 in the 110 kph zone. The radio was on 7 and I only put it up to 8 to hear the news more clearly. TBH that's an amazing difference.
Steering is positive and easy to maintain on the highway. - a feature of tyres with a solid centre rib which these don't technically have but the second rib in from the outside shoulder is solid and seems to give the same benefit.
Mostly traffic or highway driving so the handling has yet to be tested however, there are 10 roundabouts from Caloundra Road to my street - about 3-4 klms and I DO like to play. :wink: The trip home provided me with (amazingly) a clear run. ie NO slowpokes dawdling through the roundabouts. And I was quite happy with the way the new tyres performed.
One of the big plusses of the Hankooks was how well they maintained grip even with only 3 mm of tread left (you'll notice from the pics how evenly they've worn, even if they only lasted <30K. So to find my lines through the roundabouts were unchanged and just as predictable was a bonus.
Here are pics of the old tyres and the new (with raindrops all over the tread :()
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/TrevG27/Hankooksonlegallimit.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/TrevG27/GoodyearDuraplus.jpg)
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Thanks for the report Trev :goodjob: (I like the look of your new treads .. wonder how they would go on the Hybrid when the Dunlop E300 are worn out?
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have you checked your wheel alignment in the time you've owned your car Trev? my hatch was out by a mile when i fitted my mags and tyres at only 100kms old. :faint: and then went on to get 30,000kms out of them. :goodjob:
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I should mention, there's some claims from overseas of 100,000 klm tread life. The assumption is the rubber is very hard. It's not. I make no claims about tread life but will be surprised if I don't exceed 50,000 klms. Also, as the tyre is so quiet, I also doubt we have the same tyre as the overseas (Asian) version, even though they are made over there.
They are also designed with a wider footprint than you would expect on a 195 casing so, I also think they'll be less susceptible to sholder wear from roundabouts.
Time will tell.
Besides, I get them at dealer cost. :goodjob:
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have you checked your wheel alignment in the time you've owned your car Trev? my hatch was out by a mile when i fitted my mags and tyres at only 100kms old. :faint: and then went on to get 30,000kms out of them. :goodjob:
Yeah. Checked it a couple of times. Haven't needed to adjust it although one rear wheel is marginally out of specs. And can't be adjusted. (well, maybe with a portapower :whistler:)
So, we both got about 30,000 klms, but I didn't need to alter w/a. :P
That reminds me of something else. Because (I thought) of that rear wheel setting the steering wheel has always been about a half spline tooth off centre. Not enough to worry about it and actually goes the other way if you cross over to the other side road camber. Even rotating the tyres did not alter it one iota.
However with the new tyres everything is perfectly centred.,
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Nice,
There are new tyres on my horizon, though I will be getting every single K out of mine, (33,500k and counting).
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Thanks for the review! Duraplus will be on my to-buy list when my current Hankooks wear out.
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Thanks for the review! Duraplus will be on my to-buy list when my current Hankooks wear out.
tla, just be careful. Some of the reviews from Asia aren't as complimetary as I have been. I do know tyres made for Australian market are made to our specifications, given the high mileage we can do, the temperature extremes and the road conditions.
I'll keep posting on here with feedback from my car and other customers so check back from time to time.
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I'll need something that can do the highway....Choosing tyres sucks, for every good review, there is someone who is unhappy.....
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With your knowledge and experience this has to be a seriously considered tyre. Quiet, long-lived and steers straight... sounds perfect.
Street price? This must be the catch. :-\
I do wonder though about how much you "play" if the originals only lasted 30,000Kms. I estimate my Khumo 16s are no more than half done @ 40,000Kms.
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I belive I have read reports that the 16 do better than the 15s
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have you checked your wheel alignment in the time you've owned your car Trev? my hatch was out by a mile when i fitted my mags and tyres at only 100kms old. :faint: and then went on to get 30,000kms out of them. :goodjob:
Yeah. Checked it a couple of times. Haven't needed to adjust it although one rear wheel is marginally out of specs. And can't be adjusted. (well, maybe with a portapower :whistler:)
So, we both got about 30,000 klms, but I didn't need to alter w/a. :P
That reminds me of something else. Because (I thought) of that rear wheel setting the steering wheel has always been about a half spline tooth off centre. Not enough to worry about it and actually goes the other way if you cross over to the other side road camber. Even rotating the tyres did not alter it one iota.
However with the new tyres everything is perfectly centred.,
i assure you the rear toe is adjustable Trev.suss it out mate. i can show you before and after alignment figures if you want. :goodjob: during my very first alignment i told the guy doing it how i wanted it to be set. he said the rear wasn't adjustable and i said to give it a go and humor me. i watched him back off the nut and then the bolt once turned gave +and_ toe. well :censored: me dead was his responce,i didn't know you could do that. :mrgreen:
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How are the new tyres going?
Can you take the tyres out to 205's? Would that have an effect on the tyre range and prices?
Also is there much on offer in the 16's if I was to get a set of mags?
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have you checked your wheel alignment in the time you've owned your car Trev? my hatch was out by a mile when i fitted my mags and tyres at only 100kms old. :faint: and then went on to get 30,000kms out of them. :goodjob:
Yeah. Checked it a couple of times. Haven't needed to adjust it although one rear wheel is marginally out of specs. And can't be adjusted. (well, maybe with a portapower :whistler:)
So, we both got about 30,000 klms, but I didn't need to alter w/a. :P
That reminds me of something else. Because (I thought) of that rear wheel setting the steering wheel has always been about a half spline tooth off centre. Not enough to worry about it and actually goes the other way if you cross over to the other side road camber. Even rotating the tyres did not alter it one iota.
However with the new tyres everything is perfectly centred.,
i assure you the rear toe is adjustable Trev.suss it out mate. i can show you before and after alignment figures if you want. :goodjob: during my very first alignment i told the guy doing it how i wanted it to be set. he said the rear wasn't adjustable and i said to give it a go and humor me. i watched him back off the nut and then the bolt once turned gave +and_ toe. well :censored: me dead was his responce,i didn't know you could do that. :mrgreen:
Steve, as I said in my reply to your pm, it's the camber which is a problem. I'm fully aware the toe is adjustable. Camber is on some cars but not on the i30.
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With your knowledge and experience this has to be a seriously considered tyre. Quiet, long-lived and steers straight... sounds perfect.
Street price? This must be the catch. :-\
I do wonder though about how much you "play" if the originals only lasted 30,000Kms. I estimate my Khumo 16s are no more than half done @ 40,000Kms.
I'll come back in a week or so with some prices and a range of sizes. They aren't expensive compared to other "name" brands including other Goodyear options but certainly dearer than Kumho, Hankook, Nankang et al.
Re "playing", I play in this car no more than in any other before it and the Impreza gave me 65,000 klms from one set of Eagle LS2000 then had almost 10,000 klms on the second set when I traded it in and one guy asked my why I fitted new tyres if I was selling the car.
The Liberty was on 215/45R17 OE and gave me about 40,000 + something.
I may have said elsewhere (or not :-[) the Hankooks have worn quite evenly, no shoulder wear and do obvious scrubbing across the tread. Just simply a softish tread rubber I guess.
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How are the new tyres going?
Can you take the tyres out to 205's? Would that have an effect on the tyre range and prices?
Also is there much on offer in the 16's if I was to get a set of mags?
I'm working at another company this week so I'll have to check the week after next on size range and prices.
Do you mean 205/65R15 ? If so they're a common size but the OD would be too high.
Some brands have a 205/60R15 which might do the job. It would certainly fit the standard width rims.
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Mine have about 35k on them, I rotated the tyres and the new front ones seem to have a fair bit of meat on them.
Perhaps the original rear tyres had some time to 'harden up' without the stress of front tyre duties? But I do recall the original front tyres looking good as gold before they suddenly looked like they were wearing. Don't ask me how that works......It just did.
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Just swapped some Bridgestone Turanza tyres on my old Corolla. 95000km out of them!
Local tyre place suggested Bridgestone Potenza RE001 which seem great so far.
They don't seem to have 195/65R15 in that pattern for my i30 CW. They suggested a slightly wider low profile, or a set of 16" alloys.
Anyone have experience of a wider tyre on the 15" steel wheel?
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Hi druggist. Sorry for the tardy reply.
You should be able to fit 205/60R15 onto the standard rim. The slightly lower profile will keep you close to the same OD and ive you a fraction more tread on the road but you might get a little centre rib wear if you do a lot of highway running.
I considered a 16" wheel option but am happy I stayed with the 15 and the tyres I selected.
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Quick update.
I've been selling tyres this week and am finding it remarkably easy to sell this Duraplus tyre.
I've had two people now in the last two days who have brought in their second car and asked for the Duraplus to be fitted as they've had them on the first car for some months and are happy with them.
It's nice to get feed back like this occasionally.
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You can't get a much better recommendation than that... :goodjob:
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yep, 42,500 and getting close....I would say that if I get to 50k I would be doing well......
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Is $111 a good price for these?
http://www.ozzytyres.com.au/store/goodyear-195-65r15-duraplus.html (http://www.ozzytyres.com.au/store/goodyear-195-65r15-duraplus.html)
That's tyre only. Don't know how you would go rocking up to your local tyre store going fit these please dude, mind you Bob Jane quote 18.5 per wheel, they might for the fit/balance and wheel alignment fee, which could be where their profit is anyway....
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I might have to look at these for my next set.
I got 68,000 kms out of my first set of Kumhos.
I'm now up to 103,000 kms (so 35,000 kms) on my second set of Kumhos.
However, I would like to properly sort out the inner wear issue of the new front tyres on my diesel, which hasn't been properly addressed really.
Is it bad alignment (never had problems at this tyre place before) or is it sagging front springs due to the weight of the diesel engine. They've now been rotated to the back.
I would really like to get a quality (quiet) tyre next time which won't be too far away (time-wise) but don't want to waste my money putting them on if they are going to chop out the insides as quickly as these ones did.
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That seems a very good price for such a quality tyre (especially a delivered price) but wouldn't really like to rock up to a tyre place with BYO tyres... :-[
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That's my only concern....
Though, if they can't sell them for that price or have to sell at a loss to get the business they might consider themselves better off with the fit/alignment.
Those of you in Sydney, WA or Tassie might do well
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Those of you in Sydney, WA or Tassie might do well
I have a m8 who works at a Goodyear place . he would disown me if I went elsewhere for my tyres.. :confused:
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Is $111 a good price for these?
http://www.ozzytyres.com.au/store/goodyear-195-65r15-duraplus.html (http://www.ozzytyres.com.au/store/goodyear-195-65r15-duraplus.html)
That's tyre only. Don't know how you would go rocking up to your local tyre store going fit these please dude, mind you Bob Jane quote 18.5 per wheel, they might for the fit/balance and wheel alignment fee, which could be where their profit is anyway....
Yes it's a good price, but I think you've answered the rest of the question yourself.
If you are seriously considering them from there send me a pm and i'll reply, but I'm only on line in the evening for the next few days.
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Thanks brother,
I saw the price and thought it was good, and to those in areas where they have shops it may well be. But I don't have the time to waste to ring a thousand tyre shops with 'I got an excellent on line deal on these tyres, can you fit them?' To have some grunt and hang up, some quote stupidly high prices etc.
Getting new tyres is a package deal, rubber, disposal, fitting and an alignment. It may well change in the future (there are a few on line places putting out some cheap stuff, that will obviously require fitting, and someone who will open a shed and dispose/fit/balance/align for a set fee may do well (and will get a truckload of free advertising from these online places in return).
But if I decide that these are the tyres are for me then this price will certainly be in the back of my mind.
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So, we were a bit quiet for a while today and I decided I must be close to being due for a rotation.
In fact, the odometer was reading 38,800, so almost spot on 10,000 klms.
Rotated, balanced, checked pressures and tread depthed the tyres.
Result is that the two which have been on the front had worn just 1mm of tread off. The rears, now on the front had worn only 0.5mm off.
I have to admit to being amazed. The wear rate is fantastic.
What a difference over the Hankooks.
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That's great news Trev.. I doubt Trish will ever wear hers out though so I can get her some :confused:
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Surferdude.
Can you give me an update on your Goodyear Duraplus tyre wear, longevity, performance etc.
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Surferdude.
Can you give me an update on your Goodyear Duraplus tyre wear, longevity, performance etc.
OK.
Watch this space for report tomorrow. Update was about due as they've just crossed 15,000 klms.
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The originals hit 51k and counting..Still as grippy as day one.....
Have one of those tyres I got off Ebay as the spare. I am hoping the other 4 will make the 60k service for ease of changing over.
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surferdude, any speculation on how the tyres would fare on i30 diesel?
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I've managed to get 38,249 kms out of my original Hankook Optimo 195/65R15's on the CRDi. Around 7,000 kms have been done towing a 6x4 trailer with camping gear, canoes etc which would have a gross weight of say 280 kilos, wind resistance with canoes and towing on highways at 100 kms/hr. Plus 4 people on board with a boot full of gear. Tyres changed from front to back at around 16,000 kms. Fairly even wear on all 4 tyres.. I was initially getting more wear on the outsides of the tyre until surferdude suggested increasing the pressure a little, I went up to 250 kPa which is 50 kPa below the 300 kPa max limit of the tyre.
I guess it's fair kms? 2.6 mm of tread left in the deepest section.
Awaiting surferdudes findings on the Goodyear Duraplus tyres.
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They now have 45,000 klm on them - or will by Sunday.
So, 6,000 klms since rotation.
About 6.8mm on the rear which started life on the front.
7.0 mm on the fronts.
Even wear on all 4
No feathering.
No shoulder wear.
1DRR, I see no reason why they should perform any differently on a diesel. The weight difference is minimal.
Maybe run 38psi in the front (I run 36 but am not anal about checking them so they tend to get down to maybe 30 sometimes before I get my act into gear and check them. Yeah. Yeah. I know. :-[ :-[
As for performance, they are still as quiet as when they went on.
They handle all conditions fine.
I can break the front away on roundabouts in the wet but I've yet to find a car or tyre I couldn't do that with. (Except maybe the Eagle F1).
The only issue is they don't yet come in a size to suit our 16" wheels.
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Surferdude
Is you odometer reading 45,000 kms or have you done 45,000 kms on the same set of Duraplus with still over 6mm of tread left on them?
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Surferdude
Is you odometer reading 45,000 kms or have you done 45,000 kms on the same set of Duraplus with still over 6mm of tread left on them?
No. Not on the same set. Sorry. The detail is all further up this post including my unhappy wear with the originals and photos.
Duraplus were fitted at about 29,000 k. Rotated at 39,000 k or thereabouts.
I said at the first rotation I expected to get 50,000 out of them which in my experience is a good result.
Still look to be on track for that number or a bit more since wear slows down as the tread gets lower (less flex in the tread blocks).
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OK so 50,000 out of a set of tyres made for longevity. Is that about normal? Maybe I'm expecting a bit too much.
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Still look to be on track for that number or a bit more since wear slows down as the tread gets lower (less flex in the tread blocks).
You learn something new everyday in this place.
Which is a good thing because if, for example, I lose a thousand brain cells a day if I have a couple of glasses of wine, it means that I can add two thousand cells a day by reading all the posts on here.
So by drinking red wine and being an i30ownersclub.com member, I can actually increase my nett intelligence on an ongoing basis.
How's that for a win/win :D
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OK so 50,000 out of a set of tyres made for longevity. Is that about normal? Maybe I'm expecting a bit too much.
Please refer here...........
I should mention, there's some claims from overseas of 100,000 klm tread life. The assumption is the rubber is very hard. It's not. I make no claims about tread life but will be surprised if I don't exceed 50,000 klms. Also, as the tyre is so quiet, I also doubt we have the same tyre as the overseas (Asian) version, even though they are made over there.
They are also designed with a wider footprint than you would expect on a 195 casing so, I also think they'll be less susceptible to sholder wear from roundabouts.
and here................
Quote from: tla on 29-06-2011, 19:41:42
Thanks for the review! Duraplus will be on my to-buy list when my current Hankooks wear out.
tla, just be careful. Some of the reviews from Asia aren't as complimetary as I have been. I do know tyres made for Australian market are made to our specifications, given the high mileage we can do, the temperature extremes and the road conditions.
If I gave the impression they were "Made for longevity" I apologise. I was trying to make the point that the Asian market tyres made such claims but resulted in complaints about ride and noise. You'll note I suggested the tyres made for Oz were to different specs given their quietness and good ride qualities (my opinion and that of some others who have had them longer on other makes of cars).
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Surferdude
It's Goodyear that say they are built for long life, however their Australian site doesn't mention any particular expected kms, I wouldn't expect them too since, cars, driving habits, conditions make it impossible. Cut and paste from their site below:
Exclusive to Goodyear Autocare, The Goodyear Duraplus has been designed to deliver a durable and long lasting tread by utilising Goodyear Tredlife Technology. Behind Tredlife Technology are a number of tyre design innovations made to deliver longer lasting treads. It incorporates a wider tread profile that leads to an increased road footprint and more wearable rubber in contact with the road. Furthermore, an advanced carbon-based tread compound is used so that the tyre has a higher resistance to frictional wear, which can further increase the tyre's tread life and increase mileage.
Either way I should be getting a set of 4 fitted on Monday after ordering them today. I'll post pricing and the Tyre outlet/branch once they are on the car.
Thanks surferdude for your valued advice - always very professional.
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Surferdude
It's Goodyear that say they are built for long life, however their Australian site doesn't mention any particular expected kms, I wouldn't expect them too since, cars, driving habits, conditions make it impossible. Cut and paste from their site below:
Exclusive to Goodyear Autocare, The Goodyear Duraplus has been designed to deliver a durable and long lasting tread by utilising Goodyear Tredlife Technology. Behind Tredlife Technology are a number of tyre design innovations made to deliver longer lasting treads. It incorporates a wider tread profile that leads to an increased road footprint and more wearable rubber in contact with the road. Furthermore, an advanced carbon-based tread compound is used so that the tyre has a higher resistance to frictional wear, which can further increase the tyre's tread life and increase mileage.
Either way I should be getting a set of 4 fitted on Monday after ordering them today. I'll post pricing and the Tyre outlet/branch once they are on the car.
Thanks surferdude for your valued advice - always very professional.
Glad to have been of help Mate.
Just remember, stuff on the website and in brochures is written by marketing people (that would have been me :whistler:) using information given them by technical people but written in such a way as to put it in the best light.
And just quietly, the Duraplus replaced a tyre which had developed a reputation for poor tread life. But it was inconsistent. I reckon it suites ome cars really well (like my Subaru) and other poorly.
But I think you'll be happy with the Duraplus.
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Still look to be on track for that number or a bit more since wear slows down as the tread gets lower (less flex in the tread blocks).
You learn something new everyday in this place.
Which is a good thing because if, for example, I lose a thousand brain cells a day if I have a couple of glasses of wine, it means that I can add two thousand cells a day by reading all the posts on here.
So by drinking red wine and being an i30ownersclub.com member, I can actually increase my nett intelligence on an ongoing basis.
How's that for a win/win :D
How far into the bottle were you when that logic felt right?
Maybe it's just that I've not read enough posts today or that I'm also too far into the bottle myself but I'm not smart enough to understand it. :confused:
One thousand... two thousand... oh buggar it... :wacko:
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As it was at 11 minutes past one this afternoon, I hadn't even started :lol:
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The only issue is they don't yet come in a size to suit our 16" wheels.
I was following this thread with interest until you said this.
My original Hankooks are not lasting as long as I expected (last car 80k for 5). This car 50k down and perhaps 15k to go. Gives me a year or less to choose a replacement.
Being retired, I probably have enough time to choose but recommendations from yourself certainly help. Good to have you here. :goodjob2:
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The only issue is they don't yet come in a size to suit our 16" wheels.
I was following this thread with interest until you said this.
My original Hankooks are not lasting as long as I expected (last car 80k for 5). This car 50k down and perhaps 15k to go. Gives me a year or less to choose a replacement.
Being retired, I probably have enough time to choose but recommendations from yourself certainly help. Good to have you here. :goodjob2:
Yeah. At this stage they only have 215/60R16 in the 16" stuff. There will be more as time passes but I don't have a schedule.
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Got the four new tyres today Goodyear Duraplus 195/65R15, supplied, fitted, new valves, balanced and wheel alignment for $500 inc GST.
Not sure if this is good value or not, but was the best I could get after a phone around. Got them from the Goodyear dealer at Boronia. Tyres are made inChina
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I posted up $111 (not fitted or balanced) on page one and the consensus was that was a good price.
So $500 fitted, balanced and with a wheel alignment would be excellent I would think.
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Got the four new tyres today Goodyear Duraplus 195/65R15, supplied, fitted, new valves, balanced and wheel alignment for $500 inc GST.
Not sure if this is good value or not, but was the best I could get after a phone around. Got them from the Goodyear dealer at Boronia. Tyres are made inChina
Sounds OK to me.
Oh. Of course, you got the fourth tyre free deal.
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Would you personally rate these as better than 195/65r15 Mastercraft/Contis?
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Would you personally rate these as better than 195/65r15 Mastercraft/Contis?
Yes.
I could have accessed either of the others at a good price but chose the Duraplus. Now, some 15,000 klms on I have no regrets.
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Would you personally rate these as better than 195/65r15 Mastercraft/Contis?
Yes.
I could have accessed either of the others at a good price but chose the Duraplus. Now, some 15,000 klms on I have no regrets.
Might end up with a set of these, then, if I do not find any suitable and attractive wheels shortly. :)
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Hi Trev..
I will need new tyres in the next month my Hybrid has done 48,500 on the Dunlop 300E originals which I have been happy with. They have been rotated every 15K by the dealer but the fronts are very close to the tread marker (the backs still have maybe 5K left in them but I will do all 4 at once.
You say the Duraplus comes in my size 215/60R16 but are they an eco tyre (Fuel saver?)
I'm tempted by the Michelin or Goodyear eco tyres as Fuel Economy and quietness are more important to me than wear rates...
What is your recommendation taking that into account please? (and how long is the 4 for 3 goodyear deal on?) :happydance:
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4 for 3 goodyear deal
Is this at Goodyear tyre centres? Or..?
EDIT: Just Googled it. It's until next Saturday the 14th April.
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4 for 3 goodyear deal
Is this at Goodyear tyre centres? Or..?
EDIT: Just Googled it. It's until next Saturday the 14th April.
At Goodyear Autocare? only.. I just googled it (Until Saturday 14th April only)
http://www.goodyearautocare.com.au/centric/gac2/tyres/4for3.jsp?s_kwcid=TC (http://www.goodyearautocare.com.au/centric/gac2/tyres/4for3.jsp?s_kwcid=TC)|14017|%2Bgoodyear||S|b|14065049431&gclid=CKmo5JixpK8CFcODpAodw2e3WQ
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Tyres are made inChina
surferdude, are yours Chinese too?
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Tyres are made inChina
surferdude, are yours Chinese too?
Mine are Indonesian. Goodyear has factories all over SE Asia.
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Hi Trev..
I will need new tyres in the next month my Hybrid has done 48,500 on the Dunlop 300E originals which I have been happy with. They have been rotated every 15K by the dealer but the fronts are very close to the tread marker (the backs still have maybe 5K left in them but I will do all 4 at once.
You say the Duraplus comes in my size 215/60R16 but are they an eco tyre (Fuel saver?)
I'm tempted by the Michelin or Goodyear eco tyres as Fuel Economy and quietness are more important to me than wear rates...
What is your recommendation taking that into account please? (and how long is the 4 for 3 goodyear deal on?) :happydance:
Dazz, if you have been happy with the 300e and they are still available, you could stick with them if you've been happy.
The deal, as you have discovered, is only at Goodyear Autocare and the Duraplus is exclusive to them anyway. But Goodyear can do the 4/4/3 deal on Dunop as well. However, I seem to remember the 300e is on the way out. It was actually released in about 2002 or 2003, so it's getting a bit long in the tooth technology wise. having said that, we have them on Claire's Corolla (there was one in the spare when we bought it so just kept adding to it.
As someone else has already posted, here is the blurb on the Duraplus.
DURAPLUS
Exclusive to Goodyear Autocare, The Goodyear Duraplus has been designed to deliver a durable and long lasting tread by utilising Goodyear Tredlife Technology. Behind Tredlife Technology are a number of tyre design innovations made to deliver longer lasting treads. It incorporates a wider tread profile that leads to an increased road footprint and more wearable rubber in contact with the road. Furthermore, an advanced carbon-based tread compound is used so that the tyre has a higher resistance to frictional wear, which can further increase the tyre's tread life and increase mileag
Be aware the Duraplus in asymmetrical.
IMO tyre pressure is as important (if not more so) than a specially designed tread compound for fuel economy. So maintaining pressure at the agreed level is critical.
All the tests I have looked at where improved fuel economy is claimed have worked out in reality to about a tank of fuel over the life of the tyres. Maybe if you were doing high annual mileage, this might be worthwhile, but for me it doesn't rate highly.
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I have been happy with the 300e's but would like to try something different (and hopefully even better)..
Have you had much feedback on the ASSURANCE FUEL MAX? I believe that comes in 215/60 R16... Or the EAGLE NCT5 or even lash out on the 4 for 3 offer and get the EXCELLENCE :happydance:
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Careful you don't pay "inflated" prices Dazz :lol:
I'll have to start looking around soon for some new tyres too.
I got 68,000 kms out of the first set and I've done 55,000 kms so far on this set.
They're looking ok for a bit yet, but probably should start doing a bit of research.
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Careful you don't pay "inflated" prices Dazz :lol:
Can't happen these days dave. At least not with large companies. The TPC can (and does) wander into any participating store in any promotion and where a discount off or something like this "buy 3, get one free" and examine three months of invoices, calculating average prices and then comparing with the advertised deal. Being found guilty is not something you want to happen to you.
They'll even check that if you were building balancing etc into the tyre price before and you are now adding it on.....gonzo.
In the case of this promotion, the cost of the extra tyre is shared between Goodyear and the dealer. When we first started doing this while I was still in Sydney, IIRC, we actually advised the TPC of the offer. And each batch of adevertising material sent to the stores, includes a set of staff guidelines and a counter card with the details spelt out.
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I have been happy with the 300e's but would like to try something different (and hopefully even better)..
Have you had much feedback on the ASSURANCE FUEL MAX? I believe that comes in 215/60 R16... Or the EAGLE NCT5 or even lash out on the 4 for 3 offer and get the EXCELLENCE :happydance:
The NCT5 eco is older than the 300e. A damn nice tyre but either the Fuel Max or the Excellence are better. Both are quiet and the Fuel Max is one of those tyres I mentioned above, along with similar offerings from Conti and Michelin.
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Surferdude: Excellence > Duraplus? If so, worth the extra?
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Surferdude: Excellence > Duraplus? If so, worth the extra?
I can't speak about the mileage comparison because most of the Excellence I have sold have been to larger, heavier cars. That's not an issue in itself but the larger cars tend to be harder on tyres.
They are certainly a premium tyre though and well worth the money, especially if you can get them on the 443 deal.
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Pity the deal only goes until next Saturday... :undecided: Was hoping to recover a bit more from the cost of our trip before forking out for new tyres... :confused:
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Pity the deal only goes until next Saturday... :undecided: Was hoping to recover a bit more from the cost of our trip before forking out for new tyres... :confused:
It's been going for over a month now and they generally only run it once a year, but your mate might be able to scrounge a couple of week's grace if you speak to him before the offer ends. (If he knows how).
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Pity the deal only goes until next Saturday... :undecided: Was hoping to recover a bit more from the cost of our trip before forking out for new tyres... :confused:
It's been going for over a month now and they generally only run it once a year, but your mate might be able to scrounge a couple of week's grace if you speak to him before the offer ends. (If he knows how).
Thanks for the Tip.. I'll go and see him this week :goodjob:
Sounds like the fuel max unless the Excellence is only a few bucks dearer then... :goodjob:
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The TPC can (and does) wander into any participating store in any promotion and where a discount off or something like this "buy 3, get one free" and examine three months of invoices, calculating average prices and then comparing with the advertised deal. Being found guilty is not something you want to happen to you........
..........And each batch of adevertising material sent to the stores, includes a set of staff guidelines and a counter card with the details spelt out.
OMG if only we could have an effective Trading Standards system like that in the U.K. where there is far too much juggling with words and pricing in promotional advertising.
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The TPC can (and does) wander into any participating store in any promotion and where a discount off or something like this "buy 3, get one free" and examine three months of invoices, calculating average prices and then comparing with the advertised deal. Being found guilty is not something you want to happen to you........
..........And each batch of adevertising material sent to the stores, includes a set of staff guidelines and a counter card with the details spelt out.
OMG if only we could have an effective Trading Standards system like that in the U.K. where there is far too much juggling with words and pricing in promotional advertising.
It reads better than the reality. They target certain types of advertising and have been known to go after some high profile companies so they can look good, while one-off operator can get away with almost anything.
And the almost constant 50% Off advertising engaged in by (for instance) jewellery retail chanis appears to go on unchecked.
And don't start me on what the banks and supermarkets get away with.
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Banks!
Don't start me on banks either :mad:
Or airlines.
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Banks!
Don't start me on banks either :mad:
Or airlines.
Haha, fired up!
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Booked in to have these babies fitted tomorrow on the 443 deal :D
Will mean I don't have to rush to find some alloys I like just because I'm worried about driving on bald tyres.
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How would the Armorgrip compare to Duraplus?
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I went for the 443 deal today on our Hybrid 4 x Goodyear Excellence 215/60 R16 for $597.. I could have got other tyres for that money but these are supposed to be towards the premium end (Quiet & Fuel Efficient) interested to try them out .. Expecting to run up nearly a 1000 kms over the next week... :sweating:
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I'll look forward to your thoughts on them - I still have a few thousand kms thinking time left. :)
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I'll look forward to your thoughts on them - I still have a few thousand kms thinking time left. :)
They got very mixed user reviews on the net several 5 stars and several 1 stars :eek: (some had issue with wear) but when I looked at reviews of the 300e they were similar (and I was happy with those..)
Just want to try something different..
I could have got some Yokohama E70 Decibel (I think they were called) from Bob Janes for $488 but they were only H rated and Yokos can be a bit soft with fast wear rates :undecided:
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SurferDude,
Interesting thread. I am about to consider new tyres on my 2008 I30 Diesel auto. Base model with steel wheels so 195/65R15's will be the go. Currently I have just clicked over 48,000k's, average economy over life so far is about 6.5l per 100k's which includes majority of city trips about 30k, with the odd longer trip thrown in. I don't drive like granny but drive to the speed limit (fines are too expensive for us old self funded retirees) but car still performs well at 110kph when cruising. Some road materials make the Kumho's VERY noisy. Tyre wear similar to yours fairly even (one rotation front to back at about 30,000), but I refused to let dealer "realign" the wheels at 30,000, (no problems why change something not broken). Looking for a tyre with reasonable wear and quiet. Previous threads indicated Michelin might be the way to go, any further thoughts on these and the "efficient" tyres they mention? The reason I ask is that my tyre dealer is not a Goodyear Autocare guy but I trust him so if I don't go Duraplus I wonder if anyone has any experience with other tyres for the 15 inch rims. NB The 60k service was quoted at $745.00 which I consider pretty hot when they only change a few fluids and check settings, think I might have to go to the local guy and see what he might charge.
I live Manly area so will be looking in the local area.
Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions.
Olddude (Rob)
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Hi Rob,
Yep your nearest Goodyear Auto Care is at Rozelle.
There was a Continental Tyres dealer around Brookvale somewhere. I think they go under the name of "Tyre Right". The Continental (Premium Contact 2) is a good option. According to Alan Ho the newer version is a little noisier so stay with this version.
I understand about watching every penny as a SFR.
Any mechanical workshop which is a Repco Authorised Repairer should be a good alternative service option as they have a national warranty andshould only use OE quality parts.
If you do want to go to Rozelle let me know and I'll speak to him.
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A quick post after a tyre rotation. Tyres were new Goodyear Duraplus fitted April 2nd 2012 after advice from Surferdude.
I've done 23,643 kms on them so far without rotation - (shame on me). Original depth was 8.4 mm, so if I wear them to the 1 mm minimum I get 7.4 mm of tread to wear away.
Front tyre depth now 4.9 mm , read tyre depth now 6.9 mm so front has worn 3.5 mm and read has worn 1.5mm. Average wear therefore 2.5mm.
2.5mm/7.4 mm = 33.8% worn.
If everything continues to wear evenly I should get 23,643/0.338 = 69,950 kms out of them. If they wear slower the lower the tread gets as Surferdude suggests then I may get 75,000 out of them!
Honestly if I get 60,000 out of them I'll be delighted. Thanks again for the advice 21 months ago Surferdude.
Cheers
Instroe
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I don't know what the tread wear indicator depth is, but if the tyre is worn to ANY of the indicators or the overall tread depth is 1.5 mm or less, then it's considered unroadworthy in SA and most likely other states too..
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I don't know what the tread wear indicator depth is, but if the tyre is worn to ANY of the indicators or the overall tread depth is 1.5 mm or less, then it's considered unroadworthy in SA and most likely other states too..
Think it's 1.6 mm in most states, if not all. But Instroes figures are general and as he says if he gets 60K out of them he'll be happy. Based on those figures and the reduction in wear rate as the tread gets lower (due to less flex), 60 will be pretty easily obtainable.
Mine are projecting out about the same or fraction more - maybe because I have rotated them more. It can't be my driving style.
Nice to get some feedback anyway.
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Just checked, 1.6 mm in Vic. Oops
So new maths gives 2.5mm/6.8mm = 36.7% worn giving 64,422 projected kms. Which is way better than the 38,000 I got out of the original Hankook Optimo.
Same depth over the width of the tyres (I run 20 kPa above the data plate pressure).
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Yes, a good result if you can get it, keep us posted. :goodjob2:
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if I wear them to the 1 mm minimum
1.5mm minimum here in uk
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Minimum 1,6 mm here.
I wouldn't wan't to wear my tyres Down to 1,6 mm, just a Little rain and it'll be like driving on ice or soap.
I allways replace the tyres when around 3mm left.
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interesting to note, the tread is only needed in wet weather or on damp clay roads. infact a smooth tyre has the best traction on dry sealed surface as more rubber contact to road surface. in Austrailia if it rains for two days straight, everyone say's when will it stop raining :rofl: , if its dry for two month's they say, Oh we need some rain :rofl:
cheers
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Here we're lucky if we get 14 days without rain....
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(http://www.goodyearautocare.com.au/custom/files/media/443_september_2014_homepage.JPG)
says it all really...
The good wife's car is getting low, might drop in before October 4, if I can't find a nice set of wheels elsewhere.....
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:goodjob:
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Bump.
Got almost 82,000 klms up now. Measured the tread depth today.
All 4 are at 3.5mm.
So. About 53,000klms from them so far.
I'd normally go to about 2.5mm but I'll do something about these by the end of the year.
Been pretty happy with them. Extremely good grip in the dry and on loose surfaces. Predictable in their handling.
Slightly less so in the wet but I'm not sure how much of that is the car's characteristics. I'll know when I replace them.
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Sounds like you are considering trying something else next time Trevor? :cool:
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Sounds like you are considering trying something else next time Trevor? :cool:
Still a Goodyear Dazz. Efficient Grip or Excellence.
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Still a Goodyear Dazz. Efficient Grip or Excellence.
I have both. :D
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Still a Goodyear Dazz. Efficient Grip or Excellence.
I have both. :D
:question: :question:
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He's talking about his hand on his willy... :lol:
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My diesel i30 is just about to click over 70,000km. The original Hankooks are still hanging in there....but won't for much longer.
I can get the correct tyres 205/55R16 in the Duraplus for $135 each (buy 3 and get the 4th one free until 31-12-15).
Just wondering if there would be a better tyre around now...
I had the Durapluses fitted to my Getz (at Trev's recommendation) about 45,000km ago and they are fine. Thanks Trev!
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Thanks for the feedback Paolo. Always good to hear.
The 443 is a good deal when it's on.
I'm probably due for some new ones this year. I'm going to try the Efficient Grip. It's available in your size too. Might be worth asking for a price to compare. Otherwise, stay with what you're happy with. The Duraplus certainly gives good mileage.
:link: EAGLE EFFICIENTGRIP, Goodyear, Australia (http://www.goodyear.com.au/dotCMS/TyreDetailAction?website=GYR&websegmentcode=PASSENGER&websegmentcode2=&mtpcode=00807&from=nPerPage)
Otherwise, the Assurance Armorgrip might be a go. Its tread pattern suggests a bit better in the wet, but "maybe" fractionally less wear.
:link: ASSURANCE ARMORGRIP, Goodyear, Australia (http://www.goodyear.com.au/dotCMS/TyreDetailAction?website=GYR&websegmentcode=PASSENGER&websegmentcode2=&mtpcode=00705&from=nPerPage)
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Thanks Trev.
I think that I will stick with the Duraplus tyres.
Cheers,
Paolo
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Here is one for you, Trev....hope that you can advise me...
I had 4 Dunlop Duraplus tyres fitted yesterday. The original tyres were on the car for 70,034km...which I am happy with.
I was going to leave the rears on for another 10,000km but it was pointed out that the inside edge of the driver's side rear tyre was smooth....and wouldn't have passed rego.
I have always rotated radial tyres front-to-back every 10,000km.
The Duraplus is an asymmetrical tyre that is non-directional. What I am wondering is whether it would be better to rotate them front-to-back
or
fronts to straight back and rears to cross over to opposite fronts.
My thoughts are that if I had rotated the way mentioned above, this wear mentioned above would not have concentrated on this one tyre. Is this flawed logic? Which is the best way to rotate for this particular tyre....and what pressures should I run? (I have always used 40psi (cold) front and 36psi (cold) rear.
Thanks,
Paolo
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Here is one for you, Trev....hope that you can advise me...
I had 4 Dunlop Duraplus tyres fitted yesterday. The original tyres were on the car for 70,034km...which I am happy with.
I was going to leave the rears on for another 10,000km but it was pointed out that the inside edge of the driver's side rear tyre was smooth....and wouldn't have passed rego.
I have always rotated radial tyres front-to-back every 10,000km.
The Duraplus is an asymmetrical tyre that is non-directional. What I am wondering is whether it would be better to rotate them front-to-back
or
fronts to straight back and rears to cross over to opposite fronts.
My thoughts are that if I rotate the way mentioned above, this wear mentioned above would not have concentrated on this one tyre. Is this flawed logic? Which is the best way to rotate for this particular tyre....and what pressures should I run? (I have always used 40psi (cold) front and 36psi (cold) rear.
Thanks,
Paolo
"Goodyear" Duraplus. :P
And yes, Rotate them as per your second option. ie. Rears cross over to opposite front.
Cheers.
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Thanks Trev,
My Getz "Goodyear" Duraplus tyres have now done 45,000 km. I will rotate them as per plan B next time.
What pressures would you advise for my diesel? (Mainly highway kilometres with just driver on board.)
Cheers,
Paolo
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Thanks Trev,
My Getz "Goodyear" Duraplus tyres have now done 45,000 km. I will rotate them as per plan B next time.
What pressures would you advise for my diesel? (Mainly highway kilometres with just driver on board.)
Cheers,
Paolo
I run mine at 36psi all round. It's a petrol but most of the guys on here seem to go with around 36 on their diesels.
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Thanks Trev!
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I run 40 front & 37 rear
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And I run 38psi all round with my diesel... :)
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41 all 'round. Still original rears at 84,000. Fronts lasted to 65,000 due to uneven wear from misalignment. :rolleyes:
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36psi was what I ran with standard Hankooks, 38psi now with the 18"s.
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I replaced the Durapluses today.
Got a bit over 56,000 klms out of them with still about 4mm on them all. They were quiet, rode well. I never rebalanced them after the original fitting. Nor did another wheel alignment :-[
If I had to find a down side to them, they probably could have been a bit better in the wet on roundabouts. Pushing hard (too hard??) brought in a touch of understeer.
Gone with Goodyear Assurance Triplemax.
I'll keep you posted.
Can't tell you the price or I'd have to kill you. :mrgreen:
Wheel alignment was still close to specs.
Tread pic
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/TrevG27/Cars/20160128_152047_zpsq3g6wtzp.jpg)
Fitted
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/TrevG27/Cars/20160128_152108_zpsliwluxlc.jpg)
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I had my original tyres replaced with Goodyear Duraplus tyres just over a month ago...no complaints but an observation...
According to my TomTom, with the original tyres the speedo was spot-on through its range.
With the Goodyear Duraplus tyres, when the GPS reads 110kph, the speedo reads 114kph.
My Getz suffered the same glitch when going to the Duraplus tyres several years ago.
Has anyone else noticed a speedo becoming less accurate after changing to tyres of a different brand and type (but the same size) to those fitted as original equipment?
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I would rather the speedo over reads, which is much more common than dead accurate, but I see where you are coming from. ..
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Interesting observation.
The specs of all tyre sizes are governed by guidelines which allow for small variances in design but they must conform to be within certain minimal variances. These are set and overseen in Australia by the Australian Tyre and Rim Manufacturers Association. There are similar bodies in North America, Europe and Japan and generally the dimensions are the same.
Given a tyre size - say 195/65R15 which fits my car, the 195 is the width in mm between the extremities of the sidewalls (inflated to a set pressure and allowed to stand for a period - I think 24 hours) (Oh. And on the "design" rim for the size. ie. The optimum fitment). The 65 is 65% of the width which should be the height between the tread and the bead where it mounts on the rim. It's not much but the other factor is the difference in diameter between a new tyre and one which is worn out.
So, if a manufacturer makes a tyre which is say, 192mm wide, it's 65% will be less than the one which is maybe 197mm wide (both within tolerance for design). In theory, the manufacturer should adjust the 65% marginally to allow for this but maybe that doesn't always happen.
Hope I haven't lost you. And the above is a pretty simplified explanation of the whole process.
But this could explain the difference you're seeing.
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In every car I have owned the speedo has always been between 5 and 10% fast. I have never known one to be dead accurate.
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In every car I have owned the speedo has always been between 5 and 10% fast. I have never known one to be dead accurate.
10% is enormous.
I must admit it's only the last couple where ive tried for accurate comparisons, but they've been a bit under 5%. We used to run checks on our Halda trip meters for rallying but that was for distance and I always assumed any variance in the speedo was reflected in the odometer.
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IIRC my runs through the Ballarat max 117 meters registered 106 for my speedo's 110. That makes it (110-106)/110=4/110=3.6% :goodjob:
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Police pursuit cars over here have calibrated speedos (not Speedos) so are accurate.
But most others I've driven are optimistic.
One of my cars reads under though so need to be careful.
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IIRC my runs through the Ballarat max 117 meters registered 106 for my speedo's 110. That makes it (110-106)/110=4/110=3.6% :goodjob:
I wouldn't take those speed check readings as gospel, Gonz...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/drivers-confused-by-electronic-speed-advisory-signs/news-story/0a2f7f05d37047ea6e91f07d4054d41d (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/drivers-confused-by-electronic-speed-advisory-signs/news-story/0a2f7f05d37047ea6e91f07d4054d41d)