Tyres

Lakes · **April 15, 2009, 08:39:09**

Hi All,
well hope it is ok to post this here, i could not work out best place to post, also thought that a few have talked about buying new tyres soon.
well some have posted about Michelin energy tyres, and i was talking about them twelve months ago.
well the guy that services my car, has worked with tyres for both cars and trucks as well as servicing diesels and cars, has had a lot of experience.
i asked him what he thought of Kumho he said they are good, then i asked him what tyre he likes best , he said Michelin, then i said that a few have told me the Michelin energy are nice tyres roll very smoothly grip good and they saw economy increase.
He said that is true, he also said if you had two identical cars with same tyre pressure in both and one car used Michelin energy and the other car used anything else, then you got them to both roll at same speed on same road, then let them both coast, the car with Michelin energy will keep rolling long after the other car has came to a stop. this also means they can cause the car to edmit less pollution as takes less power to drive, this has been proven.
you can buy them in australia now too.

Dazzler · **Reply #1: April 15, 2009, 10:05:12**

Quote from: Lakes on April 15, 2009, 08:39:09

he also said if you had two identical cars with same tyre pressure in both and one car used Michelin energy and the other car used anything else, then you got them to both roll at same speed on same road, then let them both coast, the car with Michelin energy will keep rolling long after the other car has came to a stop. this also means they can cause the car to edmit less pollution as takes less power to drive, this has been proven.
you can buy them in australia now too.

Hi John..

Don't think they are that dear either.. There was an advert on telly earlier tonight saying Michelin energy only $129 each for large cars although 16" and 17" would be dearer I reckon...

Lakes · **Reply #2: April 15, 2009, 11:12:26**

i think they don't make them in realy wide or really low profile but i could be wrong but thats what i would like once the Kumho go south

Dazzler · **Reply #3: April 15, 2009, 11:37:32**

Here is a video comparison test...

and here is a link to the Aussie Website for these tyres..

http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar.asp

it appears that the Energy MXV8 is the one available in the SLX size anyway...

http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar_energyMXV8.asp

*******Here is another interesting link*******

http://www.used-car.com.au/for_sale/tyre-prices.html

Duckman · **Reply #4: April 15, 2009, 22:09:45**

On my old Getz, I went to get the same Kumho's that were put on as stock. They apparently had them in stock, took it to the tyre place on the day of said changeover, and they didn't have the Kumho's in stock. Instead, they put on Pirelli P6000, for the same price as the Kumho's, a saving of about $20 a tyre.

I'd highly recommend these tyres, however, they are a relatively soft compound, but I still had plenty of tyre to go before selling it for the i30.

Whatever you do, make sure you rotate the tyres! I'd say every 10,000km or so. Otherwise, it's obvious, the front tyres wear amazingly faster than the rear tyres. Depending on driving style etc, it saved me an extra 6 months on tyres, and for me, that's a good 10,000km

accim · **Reply #5: April 15, 2009, 22:25:23**

I can only say one thing.. Or few things.. There is no perfect tire.. If you want economy (low fuel consumption and long life) than they can't be that good in handling or usually they are not that good in rain.. If you want the tires that have great grip in dry, than you must sacrifice some economy - they usually get worn out soon etc.. First think what you need the most and then buy the ones you think are the best.. You can check out different tests of tires, which can help you with your choice but don't trust them 100% - they are a great guide..

Dazzler · **Reply #6: April 16, 2009, 10:06:04**

Quote from: Duckman on April 15, 2009, 22:09:45

On my old Getz, I went to get the same Kumho's that were put on as stock. They apparently had them in stock, took it to the tyre place on the day of said changeover, and they didn't have the Kumho's in stock. Instead, they put on Pirelli P6000, for the same price as the Kumho's, a saving of about $20 a tyre.

That was a great deal Pirelli 6000 are an excellent tyre..

Duckman · **Reply #7: April 16, 2009, 21:59:20**

Yeah, that's right Daz. I liked the P6000. When I have to replace the i30's tyres (which hopefully won't be for a while!), I'll definitely check out the Pirellis again. Unfortunately, given that the tyres are bigger than on the Getz, it might be somewhat more expensive!

Dazzler · **Reply #8: April 16, 2009, 22:11:08**

From my research over the last few months it appears a standard 16" tyre in the SLX six is around $150 to $160 so when I need to replace mine probably late this year or early in 2010 I expect to pay about $200 per corner for something a little better.

I have a contact that specializes in Goodyear but tempted by the Michelin Energy at this stage...

ozsnowman · **Reply #9: April 16, 2009, 23:31:51**

Quote from: dazzling_darryl on April 16, 2009, 22:11:08

tempted by the Michelin Energy at this stage...

Me too - Bob Jane have these in their latest catalogue, Michelin Energy XM1+ 195/65 R15 $149.00 hmmm this smaller size is $25 dearer than the 205/65 R15! Wonder if 205's would go well on my standard 15" rims, or would they be too wide?

accim · **Reply #10: April 17, 2009, 08:13:23**

Quote from: ozsnowman on April 16, 2009, 23:31:51

Quote from: dazzling_darryl on April 16, 2009, 22:11:08
tempted by the Michelin Energy at this stage...
Me too - Bob Jane have these in their latest catalogue, Michelin Energy XM1+ 195/65 R15 $149.00 hmmm this smaller size is $25 dearer than the 205/65 R15! Wonder if 205's would go well on my standard 15" rims, or would they be too wide?

I think they would be too wide.. Stock rims are 5.5Jx15 i think (5.5 is the width of the rim) and that is the min. size for 195 tires.. For 205 the min width is 6 (stock 16" alloys for i30 have that width), but if you ask me, 205 look the best on some 7.5.. I don't know how the width is measured in Australia, but I think it's the same.. Smaller the rim, more the "balloon" the tires look like.. You maybe even could fit 205 on stock rim, but..

But..before deciding, check if you really have rims that are 5.5Jx15.. Maybe you have 6Jx15..in that case you could "give it a shot"

Dazzler · **Reply #11: April 17, 2009, 11:24:57**

Quote from: ozsnowman on April 16, 2009, 23:31:51

Me too - Bob Jane have these in their latest catalogue, Michelin Energy XM1+ 195/65 R15 $149.00 hmmm this smaller size is $25 dearer than the 205/65 R15! Wonder if 205's would go well on my standard 15" rims, or would they be too wide?

Think accim is right..

Bob Jane's will do a calculation or refer to their tyre manufacturers guide to make sure you end up with the right rolling diameter for your model...

Lakes · **Reply #12: April 17, 2009, 11:41:04**

just thought i would say the i30 is not a high performance car so top quality performace tyres would be a waist. the diesel would most probably wear front tyres more as they produce a lot more torque at low revs this can cause more tyre wear in drive tyres. also road temps play a part and tyre pressure if tyre runs cooler it lasts longer than a hot runing tyre.

Dazzler · **Reply #13: April 17, 2009, 11:50:25**

Quote from: Lakes on April 17, 2009, 11:41:04

just thought i would say the i30 is not a high performance car so top quality performace tyres would be a waist. the diesel would most probably wear front tyres more as they produce a lot more torque at low revs this can cause more tyre wear in drive tyres. also road temps play a part and tyre pressure if tyre runs cooler it lasts longer than a hot runing tyre.

But something a little better than the Kumhos or Hankooks would be nice

accim · **Reply #14: April 17, 2009, 23:18:16**

When talking about rims and tires, maybe this link can be useful

http://www.rims-n-tires.com/info_specs.jsp?text2=Sample%202:%20Honda%20Civic%20wheel&sw2=185&ar2=65&bd2=15&rd2=15&rw2=6&et2=35&text1=Sample%201:%20Hummer%20H2%20wheel&sw1=315&ar1=70&bd1=17&rd1=17&rw1=8.0&et1=10

Lakes · **Reply #15: April 18, 2009, 08:42:03**

Quote from: Dazz on April 17, 2009, 11:50:25

Quote from: Lakes on April 17, 2009, 11:41:04
just thought i would say the i30 is not a high performance car so top quality performace tyres would be a waist. the diesel would most probably wear front tyres more as they produce a lot more torque at low revs this can cause more tyre wear in drive tyres. also road temps play a part and tyre pressure if tyre runs cooler it lasts longer than a hot runing tyre.

dazz a late, very close friend of mine had worked with just about all the top tyre co's and had been to Japan toured there . he told me Hankook were a good company and the reason there tyres were more compeditivly priced was they had lower over heads, while he was alive he worked with hankook reps in testing, told me they buy technology or did buy it from Yokohama and that kept there costs down.

But something a little better than the Kumhos or Hankooks would be nice

Lakes · **Reply #16: April 18, 2009, 08:45:17**

thank you Accim usefull link

Dazzler · **Reply #17: April 18, 2009, 09:01:41**

Yes thanks M8 .. very handy..

sparki30 · **Reply #18: April 18, 2009, 19:19:30**

I have found the stock Hankooks very good, will probably get 15k miles out of the fronts. I'cant understand people that rotate the tyres (i know thats what your suppose to do) as you then have to buy 4 tyres instead of two, how expensive is that in one go. when replacing tyres I normally put the new ones on the rear and put the rears on the front. Evidence by manufactures shows that it's better to have the deeper tread depth on the rear during heavy breaking especially in the wet.

Shambles · **Reply #19: April 18, 2009, 19:58:17**

What surprises me more is how little wear folk are getting (or expect to get) from the stock rubber.

I have almost 23000 miles and have nearly full tread depth all round

certainly around the 5mm mark

sparki30 · **Reply #20: April 18, 2009, 21:16:44**

It all depends what type of driving your doing, motorways or town. On a typical weekday we have 17 roundabouts (25mile town driving), this increases tyre wear and also how you drive will have an effect.

Shambles · **Reply #21: April 18, 2009, 21:30:13**

Tis a good point sparky. My usage is roughly 90% motorway - no sharp bends or hard decceleration/braking. Mainly averaging 65mph for 90% of my daily trips.

I replaced the tyres on my MG/ZR at 55000 miles - same usage - mostly motorway

Lakes · **Reply #22: April 18, 2009, 22:35:59**

Quote from: Fergie's Love Child on April 18, 2009, 19:58:17

What surprises me more is how little wear folk are getting (or expect to get) from the stock rubber.

I have almost 23000 miles and have nearly full tread depth all round certainly around the 5mm mark

Fergies Barstard Baby,wink, you have raised a very good point Steve.
you see tyre wear in GB should be less than here in AU as our roads surface would be much hotter on average. but if we inflate our tyres to a pressure high enough to keep them runing cool they last longer. but no one ever checks there tyre pressure or do they/ i try to do it as offten as i can. but i feel my tyres to see if they feel hot after a trip. i've kept my pressure up 38 to 42 psi as the CRDi motor is heavy i think it must use a cast iron block? but i have not checked.
i have only rotated my tyres once but with independent rear front and rear both get uneaven wear just front also support motor gearbox and they steer as well. i always rotate tyres on my ute at 15,000k as it uses a one piece diff so rear tyres wear true i get 110,000k from a set on that and it has 510nm torque
my tyres look ok but i went from steel sx kumho to ally slx kumho ( same tyre's) just slx lower profile 16" sx 15" both my set of wheels and tyres all look like new to me.

Dazzler · **Reply #23: April 19, 2009, 00:07:27**

Quote from: sparki30 on April 18, 2009, 19:19:30

I'cant understand people that rotate the tyres (i know thats what your suppose to do) as you then have to buy 4 tyres instead of two, how expensive is that in one go. when replacing tyres I normally put the new ones on the rear and put the rears on the front.

Hi Sparki I can see where you are coming from but this time I want to go to a different tyre (and don't like mixing brands) so want them all to wear at roughly the same rate...

sparki30 · **Reply #24: April 19, 2009, 13:10:55**

Dazz, in your case that seems a good idea.

Dazzler · **Reply #25: May 09, 2009, 07:31:55**

Bob Janes has there XenonZ7 "performance" tyre at $149 each for the SLX size 205/55 R16 here in Aus... That seems a pretty good price has anyone used them before? I might have to do some googling to see what they say on other forums...

I'm not in need yet but like to do my research...

Bridgestone Adrenelin in the same size (same catalogue) are $189 each ....think Michelin XM1 might be about that sort of figure too