Factory Workshop Manuals

simon@mgr · **January 21, 2010, 23:03:08**

I have been trying to get a workshop manual for the i30 since new, as I have done most work on all of my vehicles.
The standard reply is it is not available yet.
About a six weeks ago I went to have a 15000K service done, telling them I had already changed the oil and filters (oil pollen), I was told I did not need a service as they don't do any more than I had done.
I then when to the spares counter to get a manual. How much? $600.
The most I have ever paid is $115 for a Toyota Spacia/Townace, which was four volumes.

Has anyone seen the official Hyundai Manual at all and can they tell me how much gold plate is on it

Lakes · **Reply #1: January 22, 2010, 01:18:28**

Hi, Ford want similar $ to Hyundai for there Falcon work shop manuel. i think the new cars are very comprehencive. hard to say if worth it, but i think they would be a problem to stock and not have much of a market for, also they have to be shipped out written in different language. a lot of things to take into account. i think a workshop manuel on a CD would be the go.

marvy · **Reply #2: January 22, 2010, 03:53:18**

Hi Simon,

I have the work shop manuals for the i30. I purchased them from the dealer when I purchased the car. It's amazing what they can do when a sale is on the line. That being said, they are quite expensive. I think they were between $500 and $600 for the set of 3. I am missing an electronic fault finding manual which I may try and pick up.

The manuals are on uber-thin paper like a telephone book and they are about 50cm thick in total at a guess.

I have seen you can get the manuals on CD / DVD from a guy on ebay for about $25. Apparently these are the real manuals (not just a scan). They seem to come with a program to search and index them. I will probably grab one of those as well as it has the electronic book I am missing.

Reading the manuals is interesting however if you plan to service your own car your probably going to need to shell out a lot more then the $600 for the manuals. The manuals are basically a fault finding guide and show how to use all of the electronic diagnostic tools to do everything. Without the "Hi-Scan" tool it would be difficult to do to much. You also need another tool to enable you to flash the ECM and read back fault codes etc. Even if you did purchase all of these devices, you would need to be able to source the special software and updates that are required. I haven't worked out how to get them yet.

Dazzler · **Reply #3: January 22, 2010, 05:12:45**

Thanks for that marvy.. You must be a bit peeved if the CD on ebay is legit .. sounds almost too good to be true

Like you say without the other gear and software only really for information purposes...

middy · **Reply #4: January 22, 2010, 06:43:12**

Quote from: marvy on January 22, 2010, 03:53:18

The manuals are on uber-thin paper like a telephone book and they are about 50cm thick in total at a guess.

Yikes!! I hope you meant to say 50 mm thick in total and not 50 cm.

2i30s · **Reply #5: January 22, 2010, 09:57:57**

half a meter thick.

marvy · **Reply #6: January 22, 2010, 23:44:18**

Just measured them, 25cm thick overall. Sorry my estimates were a little off

marvy · **Reply #7: January 22, 2010, 23:46:07**

This is the manual I refered to on ebay - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310195194103

It's for the american elantra touring which is not quite the same as the i30 hatch. I might try and ask the service department for a CD manual when I am there next.

Dazzler · **Reply #8: January 23, 2010, 10:16:52**

Quote from: marvy on January 22, 2010, 23:44:18

Just measured them, 25cm thick overall. Sorry my estimates were a little off

Nearly a foot thick

Still impressive ...

StarSeeker · **Reply #9: January 23, 2010, 13:14:57**

I would like a workshop manual myself, but mainly for reference purposes only. As simon@mgr has done, I've always in the past worked on and serviced my own vehicles, but can't see how this would be possible if you want to keep your 5 warranty in place. I'm not saying you could not possibly get away with the odd job like an interim oil change if you use a Hyundai oil filter, but I'm sure Hyundai would say the work should have been done at a garage if they found out

It really annoys me to have the services done at a garage, but without them doing it and not having the service book stamped, I feel I would probably be giving up my 5 year warranty

Dazzler · **Reply #10: January 23, 2010, 20:50:53**

Hi SS I can see where you are coming from but best to err on the safe side.. can still save a bit by buying your oil on special and going to a cheaper reputable service centre in most cases...

marvy · **Reply #11: January 23, 2010, 22:57:22**

Quote from: StarSeeker on January 23, 2010, 13:14:57

I would like a workshop manual myself, but mainly for reference purposes only. As simon@mgr has done, I've always in the past worked on and serviced my own vehicles, but can't see how this would be possible if you want to keep your 5 warranty in place. I'm not saying you could not possibly get away with the odd job like an interim oil change if you use a Hyundai oil filter, but I'm sure Hyundai would say the work should have been done at a garage if they found out

That's what they would like you to think. If you read the warranty it says that they can refuse to fix something under warranty if they can prove that something you did broke it. If you just charge your Oil and filter and you use the correct tools and the correct oil there is no way they can refuse your warranty. Remember that car services are a huge profit centre for car dealers. They will do anything to make the sale as they know they will make up the money in service costs in most cases.

If you do choose to do the service youself, make sure you check everything that is meant to be checked in the service. If something that is meant to have been checked fails you will have to justify that you checked it. In the case of the dealers, they probably skip most of these checks and just fix it if it fails (and charge it as a warranty job back to Hyundai probably).

simon@mgr · **Reply #12: January 24, 2010, 09:18:44**

I can understand the large quantity of information where the progamming of the ECU, steering and transmision control is concerned and also the developement costs involved.
However relpacement of clutches, suspension, rebuilding of gearboxes and engines, is well within my capabilities.
Also warranties are NOT affected by doing your own servicings.
There are areas which I will not touch and if I do I go to the relavent specialists to ensure the system is ok.
As I mention before the service department of the dealer I bought my car from said I had done as much they do.
The only the suggestion they gave was to have the fuel system flushed at 30000K (Diesel)

StarSeeker · **Reply #13: January 24, 2010, 14:11:22**

The one major problem you would be creating for yourself in my opinion, would be by not having the service record stamped/validated by a garage. How can you prove that you have completed the service correctly yourself, no matter how competent you are.

Hyundai say that in the event of you needing repairs under warranty, the service record will be required for presentation, as it is the only proof you have that your vehicle has been correctly maintained and that the warranty is valid. They also say it remains the sole responsibility of the owner/vehicle operator to ensure the garage validates the service record, or words to that effect

.

I possibly may be tempted do the odd job saving time and money, but would not let my service record go without it being validated at the specified intervals.

One comment may be right and some garages may skip some of the checks, but that would be the responsibility of them and not you. They would have a problem saying you have not had your vehicle seviced correctly, when it has been them that have done it.

eye30 · **Reply #14: January 24, 2010, 15:27:37**

I'm sure in UK it requires service to be carried out by a VAT registered trader for the warranty to be valid.

StarSeeker · **Reply #15: January 24, 2010, 16:00:10**

Quote from: eye30 on January 24, 2010, 15:27:37

I'm sure in UK it requires service to be carried out by a VAT registered trader for the warranty to be valid.

I think the warranty states that you keep receipts, so I would imagine that is probably correct.

eye30 · **Reply #16: January 24, 2010, 16:25:08**

Quote from: StarSeeker on January 24, 2010, 16:00:10

Quote from: eye30 on January 24, 2010, 15:27:37
I'm sure in UK it requires service to be carried out by a VAT registered trader for the warranty to be valid.

I think the warranty states that you keep receipts, so I would imagine that is probably correct.

My view, for what it is worth, is let the Hy dealer do the service.

I know you can get it carried out at a lower cost at independents but for my 2 services I asked other service centres for quotes and the amount I would of saved was negligible.

If you have a warranty claim then as the service work has been carried out by an appointed HY dealer then any claim under warranty should be honoured without question.

Lorian · **Reply #17: January 24, 2010, 16:32:34**

I agree. I have two hyundai dealer's with in a resoanable drive, so when it comes time to service I'll just play them off against each other. until the warranty expires.

simon@mgr · **Reply #18: January 25, 2010, 11:56:25**

In my sevice book none of the pre-delivery or 1000K service pages were stamped, I will be taking it in for the 30000K sevice after I have done oil and filters.
It will be interesing to see what is done or if I am told not to bother as with the 15000K service

StarSeeker · **Reply #19: January 25, 2010, 14:56:04**

Does not have a 1,000km/miles in my UK service book, first is pre-delivery inspection and second is 12 months or 10,000 miles.

Dazzler · **Reply #20: January 26, 2010, 04:46:39**

Quote from: StarSeeker on January 25, 2010, 14:56:04

Does not have a 1,000km/miles in my UK service book, first is pre-delivery inspection and second is 12 months or 10,000 miles.

For some reason they don't appear to bother with the 1000 check in the UK.. Maybe they only do it over here because it is the norm with most other makes and models.. They don't change the oil or the filter in the i30 at that check like they do in most other brands.. just a cursory inspection by all accounts..

StarSeeker · **Reply #21: January 26, 2010, 09:08:59**

My dealer did offer a 1000 mile check if I wanted it, but as you say, no oil change or anything like that. They said that all they do is a fluid level check etc and it does not form any part of the service book requirements.

They left it up to me and said if I was happy enough to check it myself, no problem.