[TerryT]

I had both Pfizer jabs - Sydney is in lockdown yet there are still so many people loitering around. 

and she did a good job too

Blazorax.  You said: "Sydney is in lockdown yet there are still so many people loitering around".  That's because we have so many people who get their "knowledge" through the internet, forums and their butcher's third-cousin's hairdresser . 

Yesterday's illegal street protest in Sydney defies description.  Gross stupidity, selfishness and irresponsibility don't even come close.  If you want, be anti-government, be a covid-disbeliever, be an anti-vaxxer, ignore the bulk of worldwide expert medical opinion BUT your beliefs do not give you the right to endanger the rest of us by massing in public without social distancing and (mostly) without masks.

That protest achieved NOTHING except probably cause more community transmission which will probably extend the lockdown...the very thing they were protesting about!  Of those that were there, hazard a guess how many will self-isolate and/or get tested?  Exactly!!  [END OF RANT]

On a lighter note, Blazorax, your nurse would tempt me into getting weekly jabs though I'm not keen on the size of the horse needle she's holding...and not keen on my chances if the wife sees her photo.

[Surferdude]

I had both Pfizer jabs - Sydney is in lockdown yet there are still so many people loitering around. 

and she did a good job too

Haven't I seen a photo of Alan Ho in an outfit like that?

[Blazorax]

I had both Pfizer jabs - Sydney is in lockdown yet there are still so many people loitering around. 

and she did a good job too

Haven't I seen a photo of Alan Ho in an outfit like that?

Ignorant is bliss - as long as I am only looking, I do not care if that is Alan Ho or you Surferdude

[Blazorax]

Gross stupidity, selfishness and irresponsibility don't even come close

+1,

At time I feels total freedom is not a good thing since there are people that endanger the rest by their ignorant actions.  Darwin laws, Covid will be like the cold/flu and sooner or later everyone will get them.  Just hope that those ppl who anti vax do not spread it and kill someone innocent.  Regarding the anti vax, it is their choice and if they die from it - so be it.

[Surferdude]

I had both Pfizer jabs - Sydney is in lockdown yet there are still so many people loitering around. 

and she did a good job too

Haven't I seen a photo of Alan Ho in an outfit like that?

Ignorant is bliss - as long as I am only looking, I do not care if that is Alan Ho or you Surferdude

😱🤯

[~ Angel ~]

The poll is still open, if anyone else would like to vote

[CraigB]

Had my first AZ jab on the 14th of June and it took two months for a major blockage to appear.

All doctors - emergency department and haematology specialists said blockages don't appear that late and not in the upper chest and arm where mine appeared but after numerous blood tests and scans (ultrasound - X-ray - CT venogram) they've now concluded it is definitely AZ related.

Doc tells me I should have died due to the amount and size of the blockages and this type of blockage is the first they've encountered, updating the government information is their next step while I am to remain on anti coagulants for quite some time yet till this is all cleared from my system.

Definitely no second AZ jab and waiting for information on when I'm allowed to have the Pfizer or Moderna.

[Shambles]

^ let's hope that's the last you hear of that episode 

[TerryT]

Had my first AZ jab on the 14th of June and it took two months for a major blockage to appear.

All doctors - emergency department and haematology specialists said blockages don't appear that late and not in the upper chest and arm where mine appeared but after numerous blood tests and scans (ultrasound - X-ray - CT venogram) they've now concluded it is definitely AZ related.

Doc tells me I should have died due to the amount and size of the blockages and this type of blockage is the first they've encountered, updating the government information is their next step while I am to remain on anti coagulants for quite some time yet till this is all cleared from my system.

Definitely no second AZ jab and waiting for information on when I'm allowed to have the Pfizer or Moderna.

Unbelievable!!  Craig, I though I had bad luck when I got minor clots about two weeks after my first AZ shot (in May) but your horrible experience is next level up!! I hope your treatment will give you a quick and full recovery. If you hadn't said that your tests have concluded it was the AZ shot I would have believed it had nothing to do with the jab and, given the time elapsed, you were destined to get those clots anyway...but apparently not the case.

Coincidently, I am seeing my GP tomorrow for his 3 month review of my treatment (and hopefully, I can stop taking the blood thinners) and I will be showing him a copy of your post just for his information.  BTW, what were your symptoms before you knew you had to seek medical help?

I got my 2nd AZ jab three weeks ago and apart from a sore arm and some dull headaches for a few day, no side effects!    Fingers crossed as I do not want a get what I shall now call the CraigB time bomb although reportedly the side effects after the 2nd AZ jab are a lot less than after the 1st jab. 

[CraigB]

Hi Terry

I had initial symptoms of heart palpitations on the first night after the jab with some headaches and flu like joint soreness for the first week but was all good after that.

On the 12th of August I was out working on my motorbike for a few hours and noticed swelling in my right armpit and soreness in my upper right arm which I thought was a pulled muscle so I just went about doing my thing for another 5 days till I thought something is definitely not right here.

The lump under my arm continued to get larger with increasing pain through the right bicep, capillary vessels in the right side of chest and my upper right arm started to bulge due to main veins being blocked, swelling and hard lumps in the inner side on the right upper arm including fluid build up in the bicep and forearm.

Doctors findings were deep venous thrombosis in right upper limb...

( Deep Veins ) Deep venous thrombosis ( occlusive thrombus ) is seen involving paired brachial veins, axillary vein and subclavian vein.

( Superficial veins ) occlusive thrombus seen within the basilic vein extending from elbow up to the confluence with the brachial vein.

Cephalic vein is patent.


From what the specialists have said is that previous blockages discovered in other patients have always been in the legs and appear within two weeks, looks like I'm special

[TerryT]

Thanks, Craig, for the detailed reply. I shall copy it for my doctor.

[CraigB]

Thanks, Craig, for the detailed reply. I shall copy it for my doctor.

No problem

[Lorian]

One thing worth mentioning - as we seem to have missed the point totally in the UK and have removed pretty much all social distancing measures -  Both makes of Jab may well stop serious infections and hospitalisations but they don't appear to stop you catching it or spreading it. Our infection numbers locally are shooting up again, and the hospitalisations are creeping up too.

[The Gonz]

One thing worth mentioning - as we seem to have missed the point totally in the UK and have removed pretty much all social distancing measures -  Both makes of Jab may well stop serious infections and hospitalisations but they don't appear to stop you catching it or spreading it. Our infection numbers locally are shooting up again, and the hospitalisations are creeping up too.

Yes, the facts are clear as day and yet the measures are easing. Governments will tolerate the spread and deaths so long as the numbers are deemed manageable. 

[The Gonz]

looks like I'm special 

You are to us, Craig, and we're very happy you're still with us.

[CraigB]

One thing worth mentioning - as we seem to have missed the point totally in the UK and have removed pretty much all social distancing measures -  Both makes of Jab may well stop serious infections and hospitalisations but they don't appear to stop you catching it or spreading it. Our infection numbers locally are shooting up again, and the hospitalisations are creeping up too.

Same here in Australia, the east coast is being hit pretty hard with the Delta type 1 strain which is why the west coast where I am has the boarders shut down.

My doctor told me this morning the new Delta type 2 strain is now affecting in the US.

[The Gonz]

Is there a way to review individual votes? I can't recall whether my vote was before or after my 2nd Pfizer jab. Either way, I can report no pain, numbness, nausea, nothing at all with either. Might as well have been a placebo for all I know.

[kittikat]

We had our first shot in May.  In and out in half an hour, including the 15 minute ‘wait and see if you pass out’ time.  Second shot nearly two weeks ago. We arrived at 1.30, stood in a queue for 2 1/2 hours, and left at 4.30 so 3 hours in total this time.   

Both times we both had a sore arm and a headache for a day or so. We were both lucky you have no major side effects. My husband had a bit of an upset stomach the next day, but I’m not sure if it was connected.

I hope everything turns out well for you Craig.

[CraigB]

I hope everything turns out well for you Craig.

Thanks Cecilla

[wooly]

Is there a way to review individual votes? I can't recall whether my vote was before or after my 2nd Pfizer jab.

There's a button under the votes to remove your vote.
I wanted to update mine as well so I just removed my vote and voted again with the second dose variety.

BTW, how did you manage to get the Pfizer stuff ?
Rare as hens teeth here.

[The Gonz]

how did you manage to get the Pfizer stuff ?
Rare as hens teeth here.

Military priority

[TerryT]

Is there a way to review individual votes? I can't recall whether my vote was before or after my 2nd Pfizer jab.

There's a button under the votes to remove your vote.
I wanted to update mine as well so I just removed my vote and voted again with the second dose variety.

Thanks for that, I had overlooked that button.  D"oh!!

[TerryT]

Thanks, Craig, for the detailed reply. I shall copy it for my doctor.

No problem

Craig.  I saw my GP today and showed him your posts.  He said that "originally" the Health advice was if there were no side effects 2~3 weeks after a jab , then one should be ok from the 'bad' blood clots (TTS).  Then, the advice went to up to 4 weeks.  Now the current advice is up to 6 weeks.  He said there only needs to be more cases like yours and he expects the advice will be up to 8 weeks.

I was due to go off my blood thinners today after being on them for 3 months to treat the non-TTS blood clots I got after my 1st AZ jab. 

My 2nd AZ jab was almost 4 weeks ago, with no real problems to date.  However, my doctor looks at your post and then says to me "Maybe we should let you continue the blood thinners for another 4 weeks to give you 8 weeks post 2nd jab?"  I didn't argue.

Note. The side effects after the 2nd AZ jab are reportedly much less severe than after the 1st jab...but I'll err on the side of caution.

BTW, have your tablets helped with your condition?

[CraigB]

BTW, have your tablets helped with your condition?

Yes, the 15mg Rivaroxaban (twice daily) they have me on is starting to reduce the swelling in my arm.

I've got to take this dosage for 3 weeks then change to 20mg (once daily) till they tell me to stop, could be months or years I'm told as some of the deep veins have no flow whatsoever and need breaking down into microscopic particles before they end up in my lungs.

Good advice to take the thinners for a bit longer just to be sure

[TerryT]

BTW, have your tablets helped with your condition?

Yes, the 15mg Rivaroxaban (twice daily) they have me on is starting to reduce the swelling in my arm.

I've got to take this dosage for 3 weeks then change to 20mg (once daily) till they tell me to stop, could be months or years I'm told as some of the deep veins have no flow whatsoever and need breaking down into microscopic particles before they end up in my lungs.

Rivaroxaban? Me too.  Good that the tabs are starting to help you but sorry to hear you may have to go through a prolonged recovery.  A bummer!!   

[CraigB]

Good that the tabs are starting to help you but sorry to hear you may have to go through a prolonged recovery.  A bummer!!

What really bummed me out was 2 days after my AZ jab they changed the age bracket which would have allowed me to get the Pfizer instead

[TerryT]

Good that the tabs are starting to help you but sorry to hear you may have to go through a prolonged recovery.  A bummer!!

What really bummed me out was 2 days after my AZ jab they changed the age bracket which would have allowed me to get the Pfizer instead

The irony is painful!

[sundiz]

I got first shot of Pfizer 3 months ago. Just got a sore arm from that. Last week I got the second shot. That got a bit more stronger reaction. Same sore arm, but almost exactly 24 hours from the shot I got huge pain in joints and muscles. Same pain as you might get in severe flu. Except without the flu. Also physical and menthal energy ran out completely. Mentally it felt like being super drunk, without being drunk. I had difficulties to follow and understand complex issues. I was at work when this hit, and I had difficulties to stay awake. Struggled the rest of the day at the office. Not the most productive day. After I got home I crashed the sofa and fell asleep. Woke up in the evening just to move myself to bed and slept through the night. Next morning I felt better and went to work. During that day I started to feel like a normal person again. One of the worst feelings I can remember, and this was just a vaccine. If the symptons would be that strong for several days or even a week with the real virus, I could see myself hospitalized.

[CraigB]

I got first shot of Pfizer 3 months ago. Just got a sore arm from that. Last week I got the second shot.

That's a long time between the 1st and 2nd shot, Pfizer is supposed to be 3 weeks - Monderna 4 weeks and AstraZeneca 12 weeks.

[TerryT]

I got first shot of Pfizer 3 months ago. Just got a sore arm from that. Last week I got the second shot.

That's a long time between the 1st and 2nd shot, Pfizer is supposed to be 3 weeks - Monderna 4 weeks and AstraZeneca 12 weeks.

 Interval for AZ jabs has gone now from 12 weeks to 4(+) weeks.

From Commonwealth Dept of Health web site:
"Given the heightened risk of people becoming infected, ATAGI’s advice in responding to such an outbreak of the COVID-19 delta strain is that anyone who has received an AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) vaccine more than 4 weeks ago should contact their vaccine provider to arrange their second dose as soon as possible."