Post by: teamgeorge on November 18, 2008, 07:23:06
Post by: camerooney on November 18, 2008, 07:54:45
Diesel is still up at $1.48
Post by: Shambles on November 18, 2008, 08:34:15
Post by: ozsnowman on November 18, 2008, 11:00:43
Post by: Thumper on November 18, 2008, 13:25:49
$1.129 for ULP
*Sighs*
(Yass service center on the highway)
Post by: bez10y on November 18, 2008, 20:45:40
At the Shell servo's along Roberts Road Greenacre.
Post by: Dazzler on November 21, 2008, 10:15:14
Post by: camerooney on November 21, 2008, 10:17:53
I hope it comes down soon.
:)
Thanks for the info Dazz.
Post by: bumpkin on November 23, 2008, 19:50:38
I saw a graph in the paper On Friday, when a barrel was $75 we were being charged 89.9, when it hit $145/barrel we were on 126.9p/l and now it is $48/barrel we are back to 89.9.
Try as I might I can't find the linear relationship between the two, I guess they just make it up as they go along :evil: :twisted: :mad: :exclaim:
Post by: Shambles on November 23, 2008, 20:06:06
Post by: camerooney on November 23, 2008, 21:22:27
I'm loving the economy though of the diesel. I filled up a bit over a week ago and last week only did very short town trips e.g 5mins to get to work Mon - Fri (I'll be honest, I perhaps wasn't driving as economically as I could have been... :rolleyes:)
And three 30mins (one way) trips to see family (prob about 25kms one way) on the weekend. Anyhow, needle is just under 3/4 and I've nearly done 400km's.
This tank could last me another 2-3 weeks easily.
Looking forward to the Canberra meet so I can do a proper economy test
:biggrin:
Post by: Rubix on November 24, 2008, 06:34:58
I think it's all about greed Brian. I thank the supermarkets for forcing the prices downwards closer to where they should beTHANK the supermarkets? They're the reason prices stayed up so long in the first place! It's only since the small independants started their highly publicised "99c fuel" last month that the Supermarkets felt pressured into lowering prices.
Noticed a couple of stations in my area are now doing ULP for 89.9p/l.
I saw a graph in the paper On Friday, when a barrel was $75 we were being charged 89.9, when it hit $145/barrel we were on 126.9p/l and now it is $48/barrel we are back to 89.9.
Try as I might I can't find the linear relationship between the two, I guess they just make it up as they go along :evil: :twisted: :mad: :exclaim:
Exactly. Petrol companies (ie Shell: Coles; and Caltex: Woolworths) have been price-gauging for the last few years, blaming government taxes. It's about time the price went down to match the market - if the Australian government had done something about their duopoly, maybe there wouldn't be such a horrible hole in everyday Australian's pockets...
Post by: Shambles on November 24, 2008, 08:16:52
THANK the supermarkets?Yes.
Over here the franchises keep the fuel prices as high as possible. They only reduce them when the giant supermarkets decide on a price war. Without the likes of Tesco, Asda (Walmart) and Sainsburys we would still be over £1.25 a litre.. because of the war in the last month (started by Asda I believe) it's now down to £1.06
Post by: Rubix on November 24, 2008, 08:48:24
THANK the supermarkets?Yes.
Over here the franchises keep the fuel prices as high as possible. They only reduce them when the giant supermarkets decide on a price war. Without the likes of Tesco, Asda (Walmart) and Sainsburys we would still be over £1.25 a litre.. because of the war in the last month (started by Asda I believe) it's now down to £1.06
Wow, then you are lucky. Over here, the two largest supermarkets (Coles and Woolworths) own about 50-60% of the petrol stations, with BP owning another 20-ish%, and then there's all the small ones. The small ones all purchase their fuel from the large 3, so they ensure that the small ones can't undercut them, and can't make much of a profit either. BP don't have the financial resources to try and undercut the two supermarkets, so they just keep pace at the same price, making the most of the profit they can get. So the Big2 make the price whatever they want.
Recently a couple of small servos decided to sell their petrol at insanely cheap prices to get media attention to their plight - that they're buying petrol at extremely unprofitable prices and can't do anything about it. In the 4 weeks following, the Big2 have lowered their prices by about 40c (in Sydney at least). Global oil prices and the Australian dollar went down long before they decided to drop their prices.
Post by: teamgeorge on November 25, 2008, 08:17:21
Post by: ouri30 on November 25, 2008, 09:16:27
That is not the case out where I live though.
Bob
Post by: EymaTeapot on November 25, 2008, 10:24:03
Melbourne unleaded hit $1.07.9 on news tonight, rumored to go under $1... but they were telling us it was going over $2 not long ago i wish the critics would make up there minds... lol
Your Right George ( you are rarely wrong infact)
A few months back they were saying petrol would be $2.00 by Christmas, where as it might well slip below a dollar heres hoping. :biggrin: Pity I drive a diesel :'(
Only joking, I love my diesel, would like to see diesel costs drop in line with ULP though :evil:
Post by: Dazzler on November 25, 2008, 11:02:37
Post by: EymaTeapot on November 25, 2008, 12:02:08
I think it will come down more. If Unleaded gets down to $1 across the board I predict Diesel will eventually come down to around $1.20 but probably neither will stay down for long... :cool:
I hope you're right about Diesel going as low as $1.20 :biggrin:
Post by: Rubix on November 25, 2008, 12:27:51
And my local cheap Woolworths station is selling normal Unleaded at 1.049, and Diesel at 1.485... Poor Diesel'ers.
Post by: Hemmi on November 25, 2008, 23:10:02
Unleaded: 0.65 Pound, 1.55 $
Diesel: 0.78 Pound, 1.87 $
Post by: eye30 on November 26, 2008, 17:23:40
unleaded £0.899 per litre
Diesel £1.049 per litre
Post by: Shambles on November 26, 2008, 17:35:22
Post by: eye30 on November 26, 2008, 20:06:11
Diesel at Tesco 1 hour ago was £1.049/litre.
Was that after the 5p voucher or pump price?
I'll check my local Tesco out tomorrow.
Post by: Shambles on November 26, 2008, 20:13:03
Post by: GURKHA17 on November 27, 2008, 03:27:06
plus ULP(E10) - AUD 122.7
ULP - AUD 124.7
Diesel - 153.7
Post by: YOSOYPEPO on November 28, 2008, 09:01:08
-0.97€/L diesel (petrol)
-0.95€/L sin plomo(unleaded)
Post by: Dazzler on November 28, 2008, 09:21:11
1.219 Unleaded
1.479 Diesel
Post by: Rubix on November 28, 2008, 09:53:54
Post by: eye30 on November 28, 2008, 18:55:12
unleaded £0.889 pl
Diesel £1,039 pl
Post by: camerooney on November 29, 2008, 08:38:40
Post by: Dazzler on November 29, 2008, 19:55:16
1.199 Unleaded
1.449 Diesel...
Post by: Lakes on November 30, 2008, 06:40:42
does anyone know why diesel staying up over 20cent more than unlead? i can buy 98 octain cheaper than diesel.
Post by: camerooney on December 04, 2008, 10:52:07
Its coming down, but a wee bit more would be nice
8)
Post by: Dazzler on December 04, 2008, 11:40:08
Mobil selling diesel @ $1.34.9 unlead ( not e 10 ) $1.08.9
does anyone know why diesel staying up over 20cent more than unlead? i can buy 98 octain cheaper than diesel.
Hi Lakes It's called profiteering!
Our local automobile body RACT says Diesel in Tassie is about 20c per litre dearer than it should be (around 144.9 versus 117.9 for unleaded)
Post by: Rubix on December 04, 2008, 11:59:00
Consider the media backlash around banks and interest rates at the moment. They haven't said a word about personal loans in the media (which went steadily up as the reserve bank RAISED rates, but now RBA LOWERS rates, they've stayed as they are) yet we hear a LOT about Home Loans and Personal Loans. Because EVERYONE has those.
Similarly, EVERYONE drives unleaded cars, Diesel is a fuel for the rich people (come on, diesel vehicle purchase price is $2-5k dearer), so the media doesn't concern itself with it much - so petrol companies don't NEED to bring it down.
Post by: Lakes on December 09, 2008, 08:38:07
but with diesel, who knows? they say the demand out strips the supply, there is a limited number of diesel refinery's. but i remember someone saying that Caltex were thinking of limiting petrol production and producing more diesel, as profits were beter.
who knows?
but this is for sure, does not matter if you drive petrol or diesel, with price of diesel up we all pay, indirectly, as everything gets delivered with diesel trucks, the farmers use diesel powered equipment, frieght trains are diesel powered.
also remember the pice of a barrel of oil is now $40us down from around i think? $90us. also that is low as they say oil demand is always at it's highest when it is winter in Northern Hem.
if someone can come up with more info that would be great.
ps they were selling e10 @ $0.93 & Diesel @ $1.34 in Syd today could have even been cheaper.
Post by: Rubix on December 09, 2008, 12:32:35
also remember the pice of a barrel of oil is now $40us down from around i think? $90us.Down from $140US. And demand has dropped worldwide for oil with the financial crisis, so speculators have reduced its value. But that doesn't mean that the Australian resellers needed to lower the price - people *could* still be forced to pay $1.50 a litre, and 90+% of people would still be able to pay it, so they'd be making unimaginable profits. Yet for some reason, whether it be media or the pressure of the investigation on whether they were being anti-competitive, they've lowered their unleaded petrol prices. I think enjoy it while it lasts. "Big Oil"/OPEC is trying to increase their price-per-barrel by reducing production. Analysts don't know how effective that will be, as not all of the individual producers want to follow the group's decisions.
Post by: eye30 on December 09, 2008, 17:29:25
Unleaded for £0.879 ($1.9697aud)
diesel £0.999 ($2.2386aud)
Post by: Shambles on December 09, 2008, 18:00:03
Post by: eye30 on December 09, 2008, 18:56:33
Diesel below a quid :eek: excellent
Initially I thought the sign was wrong and that was for unleaded premium.
On checking the pump it had 0.999/l
so I topped up.
I read in todays paper that the differential of on average 12p to 14p between unleaded and diesel should be less towards to end of the month.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/12/09/morrisons-cuts-diesel-to-below-1-as-supermarket-petrol-price-war-hots-up-115875-20957343/
Post by: Thumper on December 10, 2008, 10:06:07
$1.409 for Diesel.
45c difference. :evil:
Post by: EymaTeapot on December 10, 2008, 10:12:35
Shell in Belconnen was 99.9.
Still glad you got the Diesel though aren't you Thumper?
Post by: Lakes on December 11, 2008, 08:47:04
i'm not compaining as we all expected to be paying $2 per litre so i'm happy, just hope the cheap unlead does not kill people on the roads over Xmas that would be sad.
Post by: Thumper on December 12, 2008, 22:03:23
Diesel is down to $1.319 down here in Melbourne, that I saw on the way in this morning.
Will fill up before heading back.
No regrets in buying a diesel here. :cool:
Post by: Dazzler on December 13, 2008, 10:23:47
No regrets in buying a diesel here. :cool:
Me either... Love my CRDi...
and diesel is coming down slowly... :razz:
Post by: Lakes on December 14, 2008, 18:50:58
Yeah, 95c with voucher....
Diesel is down to $1.319 down here in Melbourne, that I saw on the way in this morning.
Will fill up before heading back.
No regrets in buying a diesel here. :cool:
I have no regets buying diesel, myself. i have a long memory the price of petrol goes up and down a lot more than diesel . but main reason i love diesel is the low down Torque and the fantastic economy and range you have from a full tank.
when i'm driving company cars or trucks i have a fleet card to buy fuel with but i hate having to stop to fill up!!
with my V8 Ute it has an 80Lt tank so on a trip easy 800k between fill ups i thought that was good, but now with a 53Lt tank that i mostly put 54Lt into but have got 57Lt in a few times. i have a range of 1,200k easy i have done 1,100k just sydney driving. but the 4 cylinder petrol toyota only seems to go 450k in sydney for 54Lt . i know if i had a i30 petrol all i would get is about 600k from a tank as i don't like driving like a 60 year old :) :mrgreen:
interesting to note, i saw an old friend and he still drives a HR holden three speed manuel, i was talking about not having to change gear much with the i30 diesel, my friend reminded me his HR only had three gears and no sincro on first gear so he only ever shifts from third to second for corners only uses first from a stop as no syncro ( this means grated gears if you try to use first unless you double shuffle). i don't know how he can live with an old car like that! i still have nighmare's just thinking about my youth when i had to drive cars like that!! :)
cheers
Post by: Dazzler on December 16, 2008, 09:32:41
Diesel 139.9 (they are shafting us - I'm sure :twisted:)
Post by: Lakes on December 16, 2008, 18:58:51
cheers
Post by: Rubix on December 17, 2008, 00:48:08
Post by: EymaTeapot on December 22, 2008, 10:54:42
Come on Diesel, keep going down...you can do it son :twisted:
Post by: eye30 on December 22, 2008, 12:52:08
Unleaded 85.9p/l
Post by: Rubix on December 23, 2008, 01:57:31
Diesel today down to 97.9p/l at Shell
Unleaded 85.9p/l
I thought that was $0.97,9c/L for Diesel - wowsers - but not so. I still can't believe how much you brits pay for fuel.
Post by: Shambles on December 23, 2008, 08:21:10
I thought that was $0.97,9c/L for Diesel - wowsers - but not so. I still can't believe how much you brits pay for fuel.
We pay through the nose mate... through the nose :(
Post by: ozsnowman on December 23, 2008, 10:35:44
Post by: Lakes on January 28, 2009, 05:25:30
not sure if economy any better. i used this Vortex b4 but motor only had about 15,000 up then now 25,000 up
Post by: GURKHA17 on January 28, 2009, 23:20:24
ULP - 122.7
Diesel - 135.7
Post by: Duckman on January 29, 2009, 05:55:48
OK, well oil prices are incredibly sophisticated. A few of you were close to how oil price is derived, but there is so much more complexity to it. I'm not going to bore you with details (I will if you'd like :mrgreen: ) but you have to consider exchange rates, crude oil barrel prices (which are in US$) and where the oil is shipped from, as well as where your oil price is based. Here in Australia, the crude oil price is based on the Singaporean price (don't ask why). We follow their prices quite heavily, and derived from that there are surcharges upon taxes upon surcharges on crude oil.
I saw a break down in Motor magazine that based a litre of petrol costing AUD$1. A whole $0.38 goes to government taxes. This fluctuates somewhat, given economic hardship etc, but it generally is around that mark. Approximately $0.12 goes towards transport from wherever it's mined (although, we actually produce a whopping 80% of our own oil in AUSTRALIA!). Surprisingly, I don't think there was a large wholesale mark up... Then there are all these other insignificant taxes. I really need to get a hand of that magazine. Quite interesting.
Basically, crude oil is supply and demand. Too much demand, we get what happened mid 2008, with prices ready to bump AUD$2. Too much supply, as what happened the end of 2008, prices plummet. Now that OPEC (the oil producing countries), has curbed a lot of barrels of crude oil being manufactured, supply drops, demands rise, thus prices rise.
That'll do, won't it? :lol:
Post by: bikejockey on January 29, 2009, 06:21:01
unleaded 127.9
Diesel 124.9
Wonder how long it'll last...
Post by: Dazzler on January 29, 2009, 08:18:08
Diesel bottomed out at 135.9
Unleaded back up to 123.9 today...
Post by: Lakes on January 29, 2009, 09:36:50
but its all over the place on price right now, another Caltex servo had unlead @ $1.27.9 Diesel $1.36.9( not vortex premium diesel) but were i get the Vortex premium diesel it is still selling @ $1.30.9 they i see it if it's cleaning injectors saves $ down the road.
Post by: GURKHA17 on January 29, 2009, 12:03:59
Devonport seems to be about in line Darwin..
Diesel bottomed out at 135.9
Unleaded back up to 123.9 today...
And here I was thinking we had the most expensive fuel in Australia. I have always wondered even though Singapore is closest to Darwin than most other major cities, the price here is way above the rest. I know the oil is not delivered to Darwin directly, think it comes from sydney or brisi. If it was would it have been the cheapest?
:)
Post by: ozsnowman on January 29, 2009, 12:23:28
Post by: whitbomb07 on January 29, 2009, 12:36:07
Could it really be possible that distillate will again be cheaper than ULP? Hopefully for a long time to come I say!
I still shake my head at those who shake theirs heads at me for buying a diesel. No regrets whatsoever, it's their loss!!!
Regards
Daniel
Post by: Dazzler on January 29, 2009, 19:12:06
And here I was thinking we had the most expensive fuel in Australia. I have always wondered even though Singapore is closest to Darwin than most other major cities, the price here is way above the rest. I know the oil is not delivered to Darwin directly, think it comes from sydney or brisi. If it was would it have been the cheapest?
:)
and Devonport is a "port" so we are usually amongst the cheapest in Tassie (it looks like the Tassie garages have kept our diesel around 8cent dearer than it should be .. profiteering I call it) :evil:
Post by: Shambles on January 29, 2009, 19:19:25
Just filled up tonight at 98.9p/L (AUD$2.16/L) so you Oz guys stop yer moaning :P
Post by: Duckman on January 29, 2009, 19:29:34
Anywho, I saw ULP for AUD$1.229, and then I saw it at AUD$1.051. How can there be such a difference?
Post by: whitbomb07 on January 29, 2009, 22:34:35
Another reason why I love distillate, stability of price.
Regards
Daniel
Post by: GURKHA17 on January 29, 2009, 23:29:22
Diesel - 135.7 (still :) )
Darwin
Post by: Lakes on February 01, 2009, 21:01:50
Devonport seems to be about in line Darwin..
Diesel bottomed out at 135.9
Unleaded back up to 123.9 today...
And here I was thinking we had the most expensive fuel in Australia. I have always wondered even though Singapore is closest to Darwin than most other major cities, the price here is way above the rest. I know the oil is not delivered to Darwin directly, think it comes from sydney or brisi. If it was would it have been the cheapest?
:)
And here I was thinking we had the most expensive fuel in Australia. I have always wondered even though Singapore is closest to Darwin than most other major cities, the price here is way above the rest. I know the oil is not delivered to Darwin directly, think it comes from sydney or brisi. If it was would it have been the cheapest?
:)
and Devonport is a "port" so we are usually amongst the cheapest in Tassie (it looks like the Tassie garages have kept our diesel around 8cent dearer than it should be .. profiteering I call it) :evil:
Dazz that would be true, as here in syd a few months back petrol was selling at around $1.40 $1.36, then some indy servo dropped there Unlead price to $0.90 and next thing we know its starting to sell all over at $0.90 but its back to normal now.
but diesel seems more stable in price, for as long as they have posted the price out front of servo's diesel has always been slow to change up or down. can you remember when petrol was so cheap they did not post the price up. i can remember when i put $2 worth in my EH 179 Ute and a mate was in shock seems most he would ever put in a car at one time was $1
cheers
Post by: Dazzler on February 02, 2009, 07:47:36
I think I can remember when petrol was under 20c a litre (but I'm "much" younger than you.. :D)
Post by: Rubix on February 02, 2009, 14:59:59
Post by: bumpkin on February 02, 2009, 15:53:35
Post by: eye30 on February 02, 2009, 19:01:10
Post by: Shambles on February 02, 2009, 19:13:30
Post by: Duckman on February 02, 2009, 19:35:11
Post by: Lakes on February 05, 2009, 02:10:21
Anyway back in the day when petrol was that cheap we did not even know how much a gallion as it was so cheap we did not worry, the top range family car was less than $2,000. Tyres were so cheap we changed them summer and winter, Good Year made a winter tread. but weather was still around the same as now in OZ.
BUT one important factor was Aussie $ was up there with the English Pound and double what the US $ was.
We even let Poms come out for £20 to live here free ( supported by ex convict tax payers :lol:).
Back to the twenty first century, i Saw unlead selling @ $1.26.9 & diesel $1.19.9 @ a BP, this would put the premium 98 up around $1.36.9. so now what happens to the guys that got petrol i30's because diesel was too expencive. also i saw a truck load of SLX i30's being delivered to Artarmon all Petrol no diesel.
but thats how it always seems to work.
also i had a guy ask if i would sell him my V8 ute just cause he saw i had a few cars, told him he needs to show me the colour of his money and once he shows me enough cash i'll tell him.
cheers
Post by: Dazzler on February 09, 2009, 13:05:35
Interestingly, there are few if any Mobil garages left in Tassie now. There is an independent called United and that's about it I think... (Not much choice compared to the old days...) :'(
I've been a cheapskate the last couple of fills and gone back to Caltex (4c voucher discount - supermarket alliance) but think she definitely runs better on BP..
Post by: Lakes on February 10, 2009, 08:35:02
It's all a bit wierd.. Noticed on the way home tonight that the local BP (which is sometimes a couple of cents dearer than Caltex) has dropped Diesel another cent P/L to 1.33.9 and Unleaded is steady at 1.23.9 . Will be interested to see what Caltex & Shell are charging when I go past them next.
Interestingly, there are few if any Mobil garages left in Tassie now. There is an independent called United and that's about it I think... (Not much choice compared to the old days...) :'(
I've been a cheapskate the last couple of fills and gone back to Caltex (4c voucher discount - supermarket alliance) but think she definitely runs better on BP..
Dazz i'm not possitive, but they say woolworths caltex is indonesian fuel. i notice they don't sell vortex but the non woolworths caltex do. at least here. i have not used supermarket fuel for years now.
Post by: Dazzler on February 10, 2009, 09:05:10
Dazz i'm not possitive, but they say woolworths caltex is indonesian fuel. i notice they don't sell vortex but the non woolworths caltex do. at least here. i have not used supermarket fuel for years now.
Think I might go back to BP for a few fills (for the sake of 4c per litre) The wife reckons I must be imagining it but she just seems quieter and more responsive if I run her fairly dry first...then use BP :D
Post by: Seoul-mate on February 10, 2009, 09:24:05
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The wife reckons I must be imagining it but she just seems quieter and more responsive if I run her fairly dry first...then use BP :D
Are you referring to the wife or your car???
Post by: Dazzler on February 10, 2009, 10:41:09