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Title: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 10, 2013, 10:45:21
Is Julie just bring bitchy?

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/former-victorian-premier-steve-bracks-sacked-by-julie-bishop-in-vindictive-decision-20130910-2tgtp.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/former-victorian-premier-steve-bracks-sacked-by-julie-bishop-in-vindictive-decision-20130910-2tgtp.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 10, 2013, 10:49:02
Of course!  :head_butt:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 10, 2013, 11:02:52
Of course!  :head_butt:

At least she only sacked him. Heaven help the poor man if she had of stared at him. :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Just Rick on September 10, 2013, 11:19:27
Geez give it a break,are we going to be that petty to judge ever decision,this is just a media hype,the then opposition(Libs) had opposed to this posting back in May.It was Obvious they would want  person of there choosing,he hadn't taken up the post yet,wasn't due to go over till later this month.

For F^#k sake now every Pr*#k and his dog is getting stuck into Rudd,don't hear anyone screaming for the Murder of Julia,as she was the start of the rot,so these early days if Labor continues to carry on like they are,there's not much chance of the sorting themselves out,get over it you lost,get on with the job of being in Opposition.

As for the hecklers,lets just let the new government Govern and we can get stuck into em,in three or six years time,when they self implode as the Libs tend to do,on a fairly regular basis
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 10, 2013, 11:59:45
All I can say Rick is, if that's how they treat their own members who achieved the highest office and led the country, then thank goodness they have no power over the average Australian any more. :disapp: :fum:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 12, 2013, 12:48:56
It's reassuring to see Tony has the asylum seeker issue nailed down. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/we-will-reject-abbotts-policy-on-asylum-seekers-indonesia-foreign-minister-marty-natalegawa-20130912-2tmkw.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/we-will-reject-abbotts-policy-on-asylum-seekers-indonesia-foreign-minister-marty-natalegawa-20130912-2tmkw.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 12, 2013, 12:51:20
Completely predictable by the indo's. It's their plan to destabilise the Oz economy.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 12, 2013, 12:53:07
Completely predictable by the indo's. It's their plan to destabilise the Oz economy.

Phil, that is funnier than Alan's best ever joke. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 12, 2013, 12:54:39
At last, some encouraging news from the LNP. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-sceptic-mp-dennis-jensen-wants-to-be-science-minister-20130912-2tltt.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-sceptic-mp-dennis-jensen-wants-to-be-science-minister-20130912-2tltt.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 12, 2013, 13:01:33
It's reassuring to see Tony has the asylum seeker issue nailed down. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/we-will-reject-abbotts-policy-on-asylum-seekers-indonesia-foreign-minister-marty-natalegawa-20130912-2tmkw.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/we-will-reject-abbotts-policy-on-asylum-seekers-indonesia-foreign-minister-marty-natalegawa-20130912-2tmkw.html)

At least TA spoke to the right person.  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: kittikat on September 12, 2013, 13:02:40
As far as I am concerned the best thing at the moment is the (hopefully) imminent demise of Sophie Mirabella's political career.  Good riddance.   :evil:

And that will be my only political post.    :cool:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 12, 2013, 13:03:15
Thought you'd like that.  :razz:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 16, 2013, 22:27:36
This gives Australia's scientific community a lot of confidence...not!! :disapp:

Back to the future, perhaps?

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 01:37:00
It's official, Abbott is now Prime Minister.... :undecided:

Let the show begin....
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 04:44:49
It's official, Abbott is now Prime Minister.... :undecided:

Let the show begin....

Your avatar expression covers it nicely, rustynutz. :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 08:59:05
Fantastic.  :goodjob:
And Joe is Treasurer.
And Julie is Foreign Minister.  :D
I see he only has one woman on the front bench. I think he has done that to make a point and I agree with him.
He's stuck with an experienced team.
Whenever a woman is promoted on to the front bench of the Liberal federal government from now on she will at least know that she deserves to be there, unlike the masses of incompetents we had to contend with in the Labor team just because they are of the view that there should be female quotas, regardless of the talent. Stupid policy.  :fum:
There are lots of up and coming women in politics who will be great to have there when they are ready.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 09:28:42
One would have thought that with six years in opposition, there would have been several coalition females who showed some smarts. It would have been an ideal period to promote these females to the opposition front bench. Unfortunately, their were either not any females with enough smarts or the coalition is still the old white male bastion that it always has been. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 09:40:50
Working on that theory, after six years in government one would have thought that the ALP would have had several competent females as well, but look at some of the the people they served up.  :lol:

My goodness, when you put people into positions of power, purely because of their gender, then you get what we got.

I, for one, would like to see less of that and more substance.

I wouldn't care less if the whole front bench was all men or all women, providing they had the talent and the credentials to do the job better than anyone else.

Clearly, that is not what we got from Labor.

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 09:52:46
Funny, I thought we were discussing Tony's front bench.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 10:09:42
Yes, but you brought up the six years.
You can't talk about the last six years without at least comparing it to Labor's six years in government.
I had to laugh when the women from Labor started criticising the Liberals for "having less women in parliament than Afghanistan does."  :lol:
Very predictable coming from them.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 10:22:45
Predictable, but none the less true. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 10:27:52
And nonetheless a stupid comparison to make.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 11:14:57
Stupid, but none the less true. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 11:17:52
I don't know if it's true, haven't bothered to check.
It probably is, but at least you agree it was a stupid comparison.  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 11:20:59
And Julie is Foreign Minister.  :D

And I'm sure she'll do as good a job as she did when she was shadow treasurer....  :whistler:

And poor ol' Joe....well, I'm sure he'll do just as good a job as he did when he was shadow treasurer....  :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 11:23:13
Impossible to be worse than Waynus & Krudd.  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 11:29:33
Well, I'll be waiting for Joe to be awarded world's best treasurer as "Waynus" was, with baited breath...  :whistler:

Somehow I don't think that's gonna happen....
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 11:31:48
But surely you can't believe that Wayne was?  :Shocked:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 11:42:47
Why not?  :D

They don't give that "best treasurer" award to just anyone, witness your good mate Peter Costello NOT getting one...  :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 11:50:39
Why not?  :D

They don't give that "best treasurer" award to just anyone, witness your good mate Peter Costello NOT getting one...  :rofl:

Now that's just nasty, rustynutz. You know how much Dave loves Peter.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 11:52:19
 :-[ :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 12:02:21
Are you two a tag team?
As I've said before the only thing that got Australia through the GFC was Liberal's massive gift to the ALP on hand over.
It certainly wasn't because of any financial intelligence on the part of that idiot Swan.  :rolleyes:
Anyhow, I have to go out on a job now so I'll be absent for some hours but please, talk amongst yourselves until I get back.  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 12:06:20
Well, I'll be waiting for Joe to be awarded world's best treasurer as "Waynus" was, with baited breath...  :whistler:

Somehow I don't think that's gonna happen....

I've got three words for you, rustynutz. Hell...Freeze....Over. :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 12:21:45
Are you two a tag team?
As I've said before the only thing that got Australia through the GFC was Liberal's massive gift to the ALP on hand over.
It certainly wasn't because of any financial intelligence on the part of that idiot Swan.  :rolleyes:
Anyhow, I have to go out on a job now so I'll be absent for some hours but please, talk amongst yourselves until I get back.  :D

I don't think anyone has denied that the surplus was a big help, but as the respected Euromoney magazine said, Swan still had to come up with the correct strategy. They also said he had "succeeded in getting most of the important decisions right'....

Read for yourself.... :whistler:

Quote
Euromoney said Mr Swan had been given the award "for his careful stewardship of Australia's finances and economic performance, both during and since the global financial crisis''.

But the magazine made clear it didn't think Mr Swan had single-handedly saved the nation's finances.

"Swan has undoubtedly been blessed with a number of advantages, including inheriting a sound economy and the natural resources bounty that has allowed Australian trade with China in particular to boom.

But he was credited with the correct strategy during the global financial crisis of 2007-08.

The magazine applauded his "swift response to stimulate the economy'' despite "strong opposition at home'' and said he had "succeeded in getting most of the important decisions right'.

"These include putting in place an exit strategy for the stimulus and sticking to it, imposing a fiscal discipline that many other finance ministers refusing to adopt,'' said the magazine's citation of Mr Swan.

"Swan continued to deliver this strong and steady performance despite political difficulties at home, in which his Labor Party only has the smallest possible majority through the support of independent MPs.''
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 18, 2013, 12:42:35
Rustynutz,.stop confusing Dave with the truth. You'll just do his head in. :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 18, 2013, 13:09:14
Actually, I'm a Costello fan too and who cares about awards. Substance is more important.

AFA women on the front bench absolutely plain ridiculous to put gender into the equation you guys who notice this sort of stuff, have been listening to Germaine Greer too much. If a woman has the skills, then she gets the job it's as simple as that. In fact IMO, it's somewhat discriminatory to be raising the issue of gender. I'm sure women are welcome in the coalition parties but they have to earn their positions, just like the blokes.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 13:18:31
Rustynutz,.stop confusing Dave with the truth. You'll just do his head in. :rofl:

Here's to you, Dave....  :P

http://youtu.be/MMzd40i8TfA (http://youtu.be/MMzd40i8TfA)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: kittikat on September 18, 2013, 13:22:37
It's very easy to argue that gender doesn't matter when you are part of the gender that holds the power.

I don't care what your political affiliation, or whether you like whoever or don't like whoever.  I think it is horrifying that there is only one woman in the coalition that is considered good enough to be in cabinet.  'Knocking on the door'...... Absolute bullsh1t.

And yes, I do think it is important that there are more women in the Afganistan government than there is in ours.  The same as it is important to have Indiginous and Muslim and Jewish and every other minority represented in Parliament.

Rant over.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 18, 2013, 13:34:00
I think the "Respected Euromoney Magazine" should concentrate on Euro articles, they're in more trouble than we are.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 14:09:14
WA loses its AAA credit rating as revenue declines and debt blows out

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 15:42:14
Actually, I'm a Costello fan too and who cares about awards. Substance is more important.

AFA women on the front bench absolutely plain ridiculous to put gender into the equation you guys who notice this sort of stuff, have been listening to Germaine Greer too much. If a woman has the skills, then she gets the job it's as simple as that. In fact IMO, it's somewhat discriminatory to be raising the issue of gender. I'm sure women are welcome in the coalition parties but they have to earn their positions, just like the blokes.

Exactly my point.
And exactly my point.
Hence me saying that I couldn't care less if they're all men or all women, as long as they're competent and better than anyone else to do the job.
End of story.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 15:44:16
It's very easy to argue that gender doesn't matter when you are part of the gender that holds the power.

I don't care what your political affiliation, or whether you like whoever or don't like whoever.  I think it is horrifying that there is only one woman in the coalition that is considered good enough to be in cabinet.  'Knocking on the door'...... Absolute bullsh1t.

And yes, I do think it is important that there are more women in the Afganistan government than there is in ours.  The same as it is important to have Indiginous and Muslim and Jewish and every other minority represented in Parliament.

Rant over.

If all minority groups are represented in parliament we'd have a parliament full of people from minority groups.  :undecided:
Surely our elected representatives are there to represent all, not just a chosen (or unchosen) few.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 15:46:48
Rustynutz,.stop confusing Dave with the truth. You'll just do his head in. :rofl:

Here's to you, Dave....  :P

http://youtu.be/MMzd40i8TfA (http://youtu.be/MMzd40i8TfA)

Right back at yer, Rusty.  :P  :fum:
You and your cohorts don't seem to be able to handle the truth that the vast majority of Australian voters thought that Labor weren't fit to govern our nation.
So they booted them out with the worst polling result for Labor in the last 110 years.
Get over it.
They were crap. Most people knew they were crap. They're out of office because they were crap. We have a Liberal government now because Labor were crap.
THAT's the truth.  ;)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 18, 2013, 15:49:12
WA loses its AAA credit rating as revenue declines and debt blows out

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982)

I saw that coming and said so.
I have been critical of the W.A. Liberals in the same way I was critical of the federal Labor.
I have posted this fact several times here before.
I predicted that W.A. would lose its AAA credit rating and I also predicted that Australia would lose its AAA credit rating if Labor had retained power.
And it would have, absolutely no doubt in my mind.
In fact it may be a struggle for the Libs to hang on to it given what has been allowed to happen over the past two terms, but I'm sure they'll be trying like hell.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 16:06:16
WA loses its AAA credit rating as revenue declines and debt blows out

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982)

I saw that coming and said so.
I have been critical of the W.A. Liberals in the same way I was critical of the federal Labor.
I have posted this fact several times here before.
I predicted that W.A. would lose its AAA credit rating and I also predicted that Australia would lose its AAA credit rating if Labor had retained power.
And it would have, absolutely no doubt in my mind.

All bow to Dave.... :snigger:  :rofl:

In fact it may be a struggle for the Libs to hang on to it given Hockey's lack of ability

*Fixed it for ya, mate...  :p
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 18, 2013, 23:14:09
It's very easy to argue that gender doesn't matter when you are part of the gender that holds the power.

I don't care what your political affiliation, or whether you like whoever or don't like whoever.  I think it is horrifying that there is only one woman in the coalition that is considered good enough to be in cabinet.  'Knocking on the door'...... Absolute bullsh1t.

And yes, I do think it is important that there are more women in the Afghanistan government than there is in ours.  The same as it is important to have Indigenous and Muslim and Jewish and every other minority represented in Parliament.

Rant over.

Sorry, don't agree Kitty. What is this "power" males hold exactly. If the genders were reversed, I wouldn't care either way, as long as I think those elected representatives are doing what the majority of the Aussie public want, then so be it.

I'll go so far as to say that I liked Pauline, not necessarily for her policies, but that a ordinary woman could get elected and take a seat in the Senate and had the guts to say what she thought. She had many followers and it's the only time that I've ever seen both major political parties join forces to destroy her credibility, they obviously saw her as a real threat.

AFA representation of other minorities, in this valuable democracy in which we live, all minorities had the opportunity to field candidates in each electorate, some did. But you have to be able to demonstrate to and convince the majority of voters, that you are skilled enough to properly represent THEM, not because of your racial or religious heritage.

Australia needs a parliament of elected representatives willing to govern in the interests of the nation collectively. There is no place in government for individuals hell bent on pushing their own agendas IMO.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 18, 2013, 23:22:53
Sorry kittikat, but I agree with Phil here.
The problem with "quotas" is that they open the door for people of lesser abilities to be put in a position where they can do real damage.
I've seen this happen in the work force over the years.

BTW, my wife, her sister and my daughter all agree with this - all are strong, independent and capable women, so it would seem there are two sides to the argument.

However, there is one area in which a male dominated decision process might have a detrimental effect and that is at the grass roots level, where they choose individual candidates for each seat. In that situation, I can well imagine a highly qualified and competent woman miss out to a less competent but "better connected" male.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 01:04:03
WA loses its AAA credit rating as revenue declines and debt blows out

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982)

I saw that coming and said so.
I have been critical of the W.A. Liberals in the same way I was critical of the federal Labor.
I have posted this fact several times here before.
I predicted that W.A. would lose its AAA credit rating and I also predicted that Australia would lose its AAA credit rating if Labor had retained power.
And it would have, absolutely no doubt in my mind.

All bow to Dave.... :snigger:  :rofl:

In fact it may be a struggle for the Libs to hang on to it given Hockey's lack of ability

*Fixed it for ya, mate...  :p

I thought you didn't agree with people altering the posts of others?  :undecided:

You seem to have missed my point. Again.
What I was saying is that I DO criticise Liberal when it is called for IMO, not just Labor.
The Libs have stuffed up in WA and it was pretty obvious to most that we would end up losing our AAA credit rating.
(We don't need a $1b football stadium paid for by the tax payer. The AFL should pay for that if they can afford it and if not, don't have it).
In much the same way as it was pretty obvious to most that the nation would do the same under Labor's continued practices.
Which is one of the main reasons why they were booted out.
No amount of internet-sourced spin from the pro-Labor camp or from those who just don't understand or even live here can change that fact.
It's just that some won't see it.
Sorry, but the people have spoken. It's called a democracy. Labor weren't up to the job and got told in no uncertain terms.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 01:55:02
I thought you didn't agree with people altering the posts of others?  :undecided:

I don't...but, I didn't alter YOUR post.....I "corrected" your quote in MY post....and then told you I'd done it.  :winker:

You seem to have missed my point. Again.
What I was saying is that I DO criticise Liberal when it is called for IMO, not just Labor.
The Libs have stuffed up in WA and it was pretty obvious to most that we would end up losing our AAA credit rating.
(We don't need a $1b football stadium paid for by the tax payer. The AFL should pay for that if they can afford it and if not, don't have it).
In much the same way as it was pretty obvious to most that the nation would do the same under Labor's continued practices.
Which is one of the main reasons why they were booted out.
No amount of internet-sourced spin from the pro-Labor camp or from those who just don't understand or even live here can change that fact.
It's just that some won't see it.
Sorry, but the people have spoken. It's called a democracy. Labor weren't up to the job and got told in no uncertain terms.

Haven't missed your point, Dave...just yanking your chain because you're so predicable in your support of the Libs and in your rubbishing of posts if they point out the failings of your "illustrious" leader and his band of merry men....and woman...  :lol:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 19, 2013, 10:10:19
I thought you didn't agree with people altering the posts of others?  :undecided:

I don't...but, I didn't alter YOUR post.....I "corrected" your quote in MY post....and then told you I'd done it.  :winker:


Semantics. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: FatBoy on September 19, 2013, 11:33:25
This is another great tennis match, fellas.  Keep it up.  Highly amusing!!

 :head_butt: :head_butt: :head_butt:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 12:09:51
I thought you didn't agree with people altering the posts of others?  :undecided:

I don't...but, I didn't alter YOUR post.....I "corrected" your quote in MY post....and then told you I'd done it.  :winker:


Semantics. :disapp:

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 12:10:52
Haven't missed your point, Dave...just yanking your chain because you're so predicable in your support of the Libs and in your rubbishing of posts if they point out the failings of your "illustrious" leader and his band of merry men....and woman...  :lol:

And you're not?  :undecided:  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 12:39:16
Of course I am.... :P

Well, not for the Libs....  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 19, 2013, 12:42:06
And now, for something completely different. A fly in Tony's ointment.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-threatens-to-block-government-bills-20130917-2txaq.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-threatens-to-block-government-bills-20130917-2txaq.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 12:46:13
Palmer, the ugly mongrel.  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on September 19, 2013, 12:47:38
And now, for something completely different. A fly in Tony's ointment.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-threatens-to-block-government-bills-20130917-2txaq.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-threatens-to-block-government-bills-20130917-2txaq.html)

I hope his new ship ends up being really authentic  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: FatBoy on September 19, 2013, 12:54:42
I haven't met Clive yet.  I have only met Mrs Palmer.   :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 12:55:45
What about her five daughters?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 12:58:53
And now, for something completely different. A fly in Tony's ointment.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-threatens-to-block-government-bills-20130917-2txaq.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-threatens-to-block-government-bills-20130917-2txaq.html)

I laughed.... :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: FatBoy on September 19, 2013, 13:00:25
What about her five daughters?  :undecided:

It is implied, I believe.  I do like the fat, short one the best!!
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 19, 2013, 13:00:48
What about her five daughters?  :undecided:

The Mrs Palmer I'm familiar with has ten daughters. :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: FatBoy on September 19, 2013, 13:02:57
What about her five daughters?  :undecided:

The Mrs Palmer I'm familiar with has ten daughters. :D

I believe that there are two Mrs Palmers in that equation, Terry.

And a little exaggeration!!
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 13:03:55
 :lol:
You have to hand it to him.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 13:05:28
What about her five daughters?  :undecided:

The Mrs Palmer I'm familiar with has ten daughters. :D

Wishful thinking, me thinks....  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on September 19, 2013, 13:06:46
Get a grip on yourselves guys... this is a car forum  :whistler:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 13:09:42
Yes, knuckle down remember.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 13:20:03
I thought you didn't agree with people altering the posts of others?  :undecided:

You might like to read this thread, Dave....it explains exactly what I don't like when it comes to posts being altered....  :whistler:

Oh, and Trev, you might like to read it too seeing as how you stuck your nose in... :p

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=10622.msg119089#msg119089 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=10622.msg119089#msg119089)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 13:22:45
I thought you didn't agree with people altering the posts of others?  :undecided:

You might like to read this thread, Dave....it explains exactly what I don't like when it comes to posts being altered....  :whistler:

Oh, and Trev, you might like to read it too seeing as how you stuck your nose in... :p

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=10622.msg119089#msg119089 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=10622.msg119089#msg119089)

Then why did you do it?  :undecided:
It was MY post in reply to YOUR post.  :head_butt:  :winker:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 13:24:53
You're not getting it, Dave.... :head_butt:

My issue is when Mods &/or Admin do it and therefore there is no indication showing that the post has been altered.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 19, 2013, 13:26:08
Oh, I see.
So you can do it because there is a notification but Admin/Mods can't because there isn't.  :undecided:
I'm sure that when I edit a post (after a minute or so) there is an edit note.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 19, 2013, 13:27:24
That is correct, there is.

See post 1

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=24626.0;topicseen (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=24626.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 13:32:59
Oh, I see.
So you can do it because there is a notification but Admin/Mods can't because there isn't.  :undecided:
I'm sure that when I edit a post (after a minute or so) there is an edit note.

I can't do it, Dave.....I can only edit my own posts...  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 13:33:51
Oh, I give up...stop being difficult!  :P
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 19, 2013, 14:12:21
 :wtf:
Tony appoints himself Minister for Women :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-minister-for-women-no-thanks-20130919-2u179.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-minister-for-women-no-thanks-20130919-2u179.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 01:01:49
"with the assistance of West Australian senator Michaelia Cash"

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 20, 2013, 03:36:53
"with the assistance of West Australian senator Michaelia Cash"

I've got a fair idea who'll wear the pants in that "boss-secretary" relationship. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 08:50:22
Yep.
Always the woman.  :P
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 09:13:55
I've added up the combined winning scores from this thread and the pre-election thread and these are the definitive results shown as numbers of discussion wins:

Ugly Mongrel:  3

Rustynutz:      2

db08:            78

It's been a great discussion, thanks guys for your input. Now we have stability back in the nation we can probably close off the thread now, don't you reckon?  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 20, 2013, 09:33:56
I didn't know it was a competition, Dave.... :eek:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 09:35:03
It wasn't but I thought you'd like to know the outcome anyway.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 20, 2013, 09:39:32
How could you have possibly won when you backed the wrong team?  :undecided:  :head_butt:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 20, 2013, 09:40:15
Somehow, I don't think UM and R are going to capitulate that easily, let's face it, technically the thread is open for 3 years.  :faint:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 09:42:10
But they capitulate so well together.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 20, 2013, 09:45:47
I've added up the combined winning scores from this thread and the pre-election thread and these are the definitive results shown as numbers of discussion wins:

Ugly Mongrel:  3

Rustynutz:      2

db08:            78

It's been a great discussion, thanks guys for your input. Now we have stability back in the nation we can probably close off the thread now, don't you reckon?  :D

Was Clive Palmer your offsider when you did the count?

No need to shut the thread down, there's three more years for rustynutz and I to keep Tony accountable.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 09:47:46
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: eye30 on September 20, 2013, 09:52:13
May be we should now start a post next election thread
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 09:53:06
Wouldn't that be a pre next election thread?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 20, 2013, 09:58:57
May be we should now start a post next election thread

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.   :eek:

And remember, there's got to be elections at you end too, that will be fun. 2 threads running.   :sweating::faint:

I won't be able to keep up.  :Pout:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: eye30 on September 20, 2013, 09:59:29
May be we should now start a post next election thread

Sorry getting ahead of myself with all the pre post post pre threads

What ever happens, will there be a call for a no confidence vote in say 12 months once all realise hardly any change from the previous lot
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 20, 2013, 21:53:06
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/558621_220849751407914_768372468_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 21, 2013, 02:02:06
Doesn't count.
By their own admission they were invaded.  :)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 21, 2013, 02:32:54
Doesn't count.
By their own admission they were invaded.  :)

Doesn't count to conservative white folk. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 21, 2013, 06:58:34
Let's give Abbott a chance to prove himself
September 21, 2013

Here is an olive branch: it would be a good idea to give Tony Abbott some time to prove himself as prime minister.

No, this is not satire. Nor have I gone soft in the head. As I have written, he won the job in an unprincipled campaign of deceit and low cunning. I still believe he is unfit for the office.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-give-abbott-a-chance-to-prove-himself-20130920-2u537.html#ixzz2fVIQwEav (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-give-abbott-a-chance-to-prove-himself-20130920-2u537.html#ixzz2fVIQwEav)

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 21, 2013, 07:18:43
So, did Howard really stop the boats or did he just do as Abbott is doing now?   :whistler: :snigger:

Operation Sovereign Borders gears up

Lauren Wilson
From: The Australian
September 21, 2013


THE Coalition has shut down the flow of information on the arrival of asylum vessels and the transfer of people offshore under the military-led Operation Sovereign Borders.

Despite seizing on public information to attack the Labor government for every unauthorised vessel intercepted over the last six years, newly sworn-in Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has demanded silence from the agencies in his portfolio.

All requests for information from Customs and Border Protection and the Department of Immigration - on issues ranging from boat arrivals, to detention centre capacity levels, the numbers of detainees on Manus Island and Nauru, or violent incidents in the detention network - are now directed to the mobile telephone of Mr Morrison's press secretary.

Under the Labor government, Customs and Border Protection would release an alert detailing where every asylum-seeker vessel was intercepted and how many passengers were aboard the boat.

But prior to the election Mr Morrison warned under a change of government, it would be up to the three-star general in charge of Operation Sovereign Borders, Angus Campbell, to decide whether information about boat interceptions would be publicly released.

The Weekend Australian yesterday asked whether plans to fast-track the sending of asylum-seekers offshore would compromise health checks and malaria vaccinations.

Mr Morrison's office declined to answer questions, citing "sensitivities" around Sovereign Borders.

Former minister Tony Burke warned there would be serious consequences if the immigration portfolio was allowed to "go back to a culture of secrecy".

"That was exactly the problems identified in the Palmer and Comrie reports back when the Howard government locked up Cornelia Rau and deported Vivian Alvarez," Mr Burke said.

"Any government that has the courage of its convictions lets the Australian public know what's happening."

:link: (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/operation-sovereign-borders-gears-up/story-fn59niix-1226723989298#sthash.YYkIQYTz.dpuf)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 21, 2013, 07:28:53
This is the act of a devious government. The same thing will happen with the closing down of the Climate Commission which provided the Australian public with credible information on climate change issues, including the effects of the carbon tax.

Tony's method is to keep us in the dark and feed us bulltish. Nothing to see here folks, move along. :disapp:

BTW, there are no olive trees where I live. :fum:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 21, 2013, 11:25:26
Let's give Abbott a chance to prove himself
September 21, 2013

Here is an olive branch: it would be a good idea to give Tony Abbott some time to prove himself as prime minister.

No, this is not satire. Nor have I gone soft in the head. As I have written, he won the job in an unprincipled campaign of deceit and low cunning. I still believe he is unfit for the office.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-give-abbott-a-chance-to-prove-himself-20130920-2u537.html#ixzz2fVIQwEav (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-give-abbott-a-chance-to-prove-himself-20130920-2u537.html#ixzz2fVIQwEav)

So says Mike Carlton.  :wtf:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 21, 2013, 11:27:25
This is the act of a devious government.

So it was obviously the act of a devious government (the Labor government) when Gillard silenced the media and banned them from printing photos of boats arriving and newly arrived asylum seekers due to the "national interest."

Can't have it both ways.  ;)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 21, 2013, 11:32:41
Doesn't count.
By their own admission they were invaded.  :)

Doesn't count to conservative white folk. :disapp:

It doesn't count. Full stop.
Over two hundreds years ago they were invaded and their country taken over. Isn't that a fact?  :undecided:
Lucky for them it was us and not one of a few other countries I can think of whereby things would have turned out much differently than they did.
I am all for everyone being equal, being treated the same and having the same opportunities.
But as I said, the indigenous call it "Invasion Day" so by their own admission they were invaded. And not by asylum seekers.
The British, the Spanish, the French et al have a history of invading other countries after which they claim it as theirs. It has happened all through history, no different here.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on September 21, 2013, 11:56:49
Be fair Dave, I think I might have won a couple too.. let's be entirely accurate here :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 21, 2013, 12:04:24
Be fair Dave, I think I might have won a couple too.. let's be entirely accurate here :D

Oh, OK then.  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 21, 2013, 12:18:31
Its OK, Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island will keep us informed.

http://www.2gb.com/gallery/photos-christmas-island#.Uj2ASj8XHPo (http://www.2gb.com/gallery/photos-christmas-island#.Uj2ASj8XHPo)

 :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 21, 2013, 12:20:04
Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 22, 2013, 04:36:13
Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:

There's been no validation of them at all. Only that Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island sent them. I have doubts about "Shaz" to be honest which I mentioned at the time.  I'm pretty sure the whole border control thing will end up being a media control exercise to be honest. Lets see what happens next, its early days yet.

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 22, 2013, 15:12:39
Oh looky here, a boat has arrived, why hasn't it been turned back?  :whistler:

Abbot fail.....  :lol:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-22/government-to-hold-weekly-asylum-seeker-briefings-says-morrison/4973512 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-22/government-to-hold-weekly-asylum-seeker-briefings-says-morrison/4973512)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 22, 2013, 15:23:49
Oh dear, the comments following that article are are scathing. Commentators are suggesting the government is hiding the truth for its own convenience. Unbelievable!! Lets see what week 3 brings.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 22, 2013, 22:42:01
An interesting development.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/business/entire-nbn-board-resigns-20130922-2u835.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/business/entire-nbn-board-resigns-20130922-2u835.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 00:30:44
I still can't believe we're going down that road...  :head_butt:

Welcome to the Abbott Age..... :confused:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 00:32:02
An interesting development.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/business/entire-nbn-board-resigns-20130922-2u835.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/business/entire-nbn-board-resigns-20130922-2u835.html)

lol, McKenna is a professional company director - she doesn't have to know about the telecommunications industry - and yet she does. For Turnbull of all people to question her credentials is disingenuous and a hypocrisy. Ziggy is an interesting choice but he is no Bob the builder.

This is the board:

http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/our-people/board.html (http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/our-people/board.html)


Siobhan McKenna – Chairman (Non Executive Director, Chair of the Nominations Committee effective 21 March 2013 and former Chair of the Communications Committee which was dissolved effective 24 April 2013)

Ms. McKenna was appointed Chairman of NBN Co on 15 March 2013 and as a Director on 5 August 2009. Ms McKenna has extensive experience in the media and telecommunications industries.

She is Managing Partner and a Director of the private media investment company Illyria Pty Ltd, a director of DMG Radio Australia and a Non-executive Director of Ten Network Holdings. Ms McKenna was a Non-executive Director of Prime Media Group, an ASX-listed regional television and radio company, from 2009-2012. Before joining Illyria, Ms McKenna was a partner at international management consulting firm McKinsey & Company where she specialised in advising telecommunications and media companies.

Ms McKenna is currently on a leave of absence from her role as Commissioner at the Productivity Commission, has been a director of The Australian Ballet since May 2010 and was an Advisory Board Member of the Bureau of Meteorology. Ms McKenna’s current term will expire on 4 August 2015.

Image of Terry FrancisMr Terrence (Terry) Francis (Non Executive Director, Chair of the Contracts (formerly Implementation) Committee to 4 August 2012 and Chair of the Audit Committee effective from 5 August 2012)

Mr Francis was appointed as a director on 22 December 2009 and was reappointed as a director effective 22 December 2012.

Mr Francis commenced his career in infrastructure and mine design and project management. This was followed by over twenty years in corporate finance including as Senior Vice President and CEO of Bank of America in Australia, Executive Director of Deutsche Bank Australia and Vice President of Continental Illinois National Bank.

Over the past ten years Mr Francis has worked as a non executive director and as an advisor to government and business, especially in project financing and delivery. He is currently a Board member of ANZ Specialist Asset Management Limited and Boom Logistics Limited and, is a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors, the Institution of Engineers Australia and the Financial Services Institute of Australasia. Mr Francis’ current term will expire on 21 December 2015.

Image of Alison LansleyMs Alison Lansley
(Non Executive Director)

Ms Lansley was appointed as a director on 7 December 2012.

Ms Lansley was a partner in the Mergers and Acquisitions practice of Mallesons Stephen Jaques for over 16 years. She is a non-executive director of Schools Connect Australia and heads the Victorian Regional Council of Redkite.

She has previously served on a number of boards and authorities, including the Melbourne 2006 Commonwealth Games Corporation, the Takeovers Panel, the Financial Services Institute of Australasia and the national listing committee of the Australian Stock Exchange. Ms Lansley’s current term will expire on 6 December 2015.

Mr Brad Orgill
(Non Executive Director)

Mr Orgill was appointed as a director on 5 August 2012. Mr Orgill worked for the UBS group and its global investment bank for 22 years. He retired in 2008 as Chairman of UBS Australia having previously been CEO and/or UBS Country Head in each of Australia, Hong Kong, China and Singapore.

From 1998-2005 he concurrently was Head of the Asia and then Asia/Japan/Australia Equities business, UBS’s largest in Asia Pacific and from 2006-8 he was a member of the UBS Group Managing Board.

Post retirement, Mr Orgill has completed a Masters degree in Environmental Science & Law, travelled extensively, been involved in philanthropic and think tank activities and chaired a task force (2010-11) to examine the $16 billion Building the Education Revolution GFC stimulus program. He currently represents the Commonwealth on the Queensland Reconstruction Authority Board and is a member of the Regional Development Australia Fund advisory panel.

Mr Orgill is a past member of the BCA and past Board member of AFMA.  Mr Orgill’s current term will expire on 4 August 2015.


Mr Michael (Mike) Quigley
Chief Executive Officer (Executive Director)

Mr Quigley was appointed as the interim chairman and a director of NBN Co on 24 July 2009 after a 36-year career at the French telecommunications company Alcatel.

Mr Quigley’s term as a director and the interim chairman of NBN Co concluded with the appointment of Mr Harrison Young as chairman on 15 March 2010 at which time Mr Quigley was reappointed as a director. Mr Quigley was again reappointed as a director effective from 15 March 2013 and his current term will expire on 14 March 2016.

Mr Quigley was appointed as Chief Executive Officer of NBN Co on 20 July 2009.  After starting his career in research and development, Mr Quigley took on progressively more senior positions in Alcatel culminating in his appointment as Alcatel’s President and Chief Operating Officer in 2005. Mr Quigley is also a Director of Neuroscience Research Australia and an Honorary Professorial Fellow of the University of Wollongong.


Dr Kerry Schott
(Non Executive Director)

Dr Schott was appointed as a Director on 28 September 2012. She is the Project Director of the proposed sale of the New South Wales government owned electricity generating plants.

Dr Schott completed her role as CEO of the Commission of Audit for the NSW Government in early 2012, was Managing Director and CEO of Sydney Water from 2006 to 2011 and before that was Deputy Secretary, NSW Treasury.

She spent 15 years as an investment banker, including as Managing Director of Deutsche Bank and Executive Vice President of Bankers Trust Australia. During this time she specialised in privatisation, restructuring, and infrastructure provision. Early in her career she worked as an economic policy adviser with the Reserve Bank of Australia, the Commonwealth Government and as an academic at University College London and at Oxford University.

She is Chairman of Moorebank Intermodal Company, a member of the TCorp Board in NSW and a member of the Infrastructure Australia Board, a Patron and Board member of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia and, a member of the Whitlam Institute Board. Dr Schott’s current term will expire on 27 September 2015.


Mr Richard (Rick) Turchini (Non Executive Director and Chair of the Contracts (formerly Implementation) Committee effective from 5 August 2012)

Mr Turchini was appointed as a director on 14 September 2011.  Mr Turchini is a civil engineer who has more than 40 years experience in the construction industry.

He retired from the construction firm Leighton Contractors in 2003, leaving his position as a Company Director and General Manager for New South Wales and the ACT.

From mid 2005 until the end of 2010 Mr Turchini was Managing Director of Baulderstone, a construction company with more than 1,300 employees.  Mr Turchini served on the Board of Directors for Hastie Group from 1 January 2012 to 2 May 2012 and was an Honorary Board Member of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia. Mr Turchini’s current term will expire on 13 September 2014.

Maybe this article will shed some light on Turnbull's position: http://www.brw.com.au/p/leadership/nbn_chair_siobhan_mckenna_force_wwxFxBx0eoxMI1ho962ZJO (http://www.brw.com.au/p/leadership/nbn_chair_siobhan_mckenna_force_wwxFxBx0eoxMI1ho962ZJO)

It appears Turnbull's view may be that the NBN as a government instrument should not be run in the manner of a public company. Or maybe, her focus on getting the job done is at odds with the government's view that we should have a second rate service. Politics eh...
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 00:34:31
I still can't believe we're going down that road...  :head_butt:

Welcome to the Abbott Age..... :confused:

Oh dear.
And it was all going so well.

"Mr Turnbull has blamed the board and executive team for the massive cost blowouts, timetable delays and for contractors losing money."

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 00:36:25
Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:

There's been no validation of them at all. Only that Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island sent them. I have doubts about "Shaz" to be honest which I mentioned at the time.  I'm pretty sure the whole border control thing will end up being a media control exercise to be honest. Lets see what happens next, its early days yet.

So the answer's no then.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 00:40:03
Oh looky here, a boat has arrived, why hasn't it been turned back?  :whistler:

Abbot fail.....  :lol:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-22/government-to-hold-weekly-asylum-seeker-briefings-says-morrison/4973512 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-22/government-to-hold-weekly-asylum-seeker-briefings-says-morrison/4973512)

You're hilarious.  :lol:
Following only four asylum seekers being in detention when Liberal handed over to Labor in 2007, we've had tens of thousands of people arrive on thousands of boats (we've all lost count) under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd policies and you say nothing.  :wtf:
ONE boat arrives since the Liberals take over and you make a comment like that.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Your bias is showing, Mr Rustynutz.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 00:48:58
But, but Abbott told us fifty million times in the run up to the Election that he'd turn back the boats... Clearly that hasn't happened...  :lol:

What Rudd & Gillard did or did not do has no relevance to that, Dave....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 00:54:55
Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:

There's been no validation of them at all. Only that Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island sent them. I have doubts about "Shaz" to be honest which I mentioned at the time.  I'm pretty sure the whole border control thing will end up being a media control exercise to be honest. Lets see what happens next, its early days yet.

So the answer's no then.

Nor have they been validated AND I strongly doubt the information is real. I'm referring to the information that allegedly showed us illegal immigrants with personal body guards supplied to the likes of disreputable media outlets like 2UE via Mike Smith. If reputable news agencies won't use it  - and they did not - then you can be almost certain its fake. There was never any information that told us what was really going on from anyone, only a few pictures from an unconfirmed source ("Shaz" of Christmas Island) allowing those with active imaginations to draw their own conclusions which they certainly did.

I would have thought you understood the difference between an allegation and evidence.   :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 00:58:48
I do.
I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one.  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 01:01:14
But, but Abbott told us fifty million times in the run up to the Election that he'd turn back the boats... Clearly that hasn't happened...  :lol:

What Rudd & Gillard did or did not do has no relevance to that, Dave....  :rolleyes:

It has all the relevance in the world.  :rolleyes:
You are expecting Abbott to fix in one week what Rudd/Gillard/Rudd failed to do in six years, after they were the ones who changed the policy that worked in the first place.
Of course it's relevant.
Unless of course you just want to bash Liberal for the sake of bashing Liberal.
But that wouldn't be the case now, would it?  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:05:50
Just pointing out Abbott's failing as diligently as you've pointed out Rudd's & Gillards failings, Dave...

Fair's fair.... :goodjob:

 
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12
6 years v 1 week is not fair and I think you know that.
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:16:47
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.

Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 23, 2013, 01:27:19
6 years v 1 week is not fair and I think you know that.
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.
Quite right, too.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 01:30:19
I do.
I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one.  :whistler:

I'm open to the facts. There have been none. Only suggestive pictures with NO supporting information about what really was going on there. I have said this all along and would love to know the facts. No one is saying.

Here again is the original article:

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html (http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html)

As you can see long on opinion, short on facts. It certainly doesn't look good... but without facts its hard to know for sure whats going on. In the absence of facts we are just speculating at this point as you well know. As is the photographer and certainly Mike Smith as well.

The image metadata says Sharon Tisdale aka Shazzarati. According to google, the reputable news agencies have stopped talking to her but Mike Smith seems to publish pretty much everything she says. Lets see if this continues.

It may be the only way to hear whats going on in future, unsubstantiated or otherwise.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 01:59:43
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.

Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?  :lol:

You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 02:01:16
I do.
I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one.  :whistler:

I'm open to the facts. There have been none. Only suggestive pictures with NO supporting information about what really was going on there. I have said this all along and would love to know the facts. No one is saying.

Here again is the original article:

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html (http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html)

As you can see long on opinion, short on facts. It certainly doesn't look good... but without facts its hard to know for sure whats going on. In the absence of facts we are just speculating at this point as you well know. As is the photographer and certainly Mike Smith as well.

The image metadata says Sharon Tisdale aka Shazzarati. According to google, the reputable news agencies have stopped talking to her but Mike Smith seems to publish pretty much everything she says. Lets see if this continues.

It may be the only way to hear whats going on in future, unsubstantiated or otherwise.

Maybe it will.  ;)
I mean we haven't seen any media photographs of asylum seekers or boats since Julia Gillard gagged the free press.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 02:45:24
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.

Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?  :lol:

You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.

What, barely 3 months ago?  :undecided: :eek:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 23, 2013, 03:27:38

ONE boat arrives since the Liberals take over and you make a comment like that.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Your bias is showing, Mr Rustynutz.

Correction, Dave, eight boats have arrived.

Keep up with the program, Dave, or your bias might start showing, too. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christmas-island-residents-will-tell-the-world-about-asylum-seeker-arrivals-union-leader-20130923-2u8se.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christmas-island-residents-will-tell-the-world-about-asylum-seeker-arrivals-union-leader-20130923-2u8se.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 04:06:08
I do.
I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one.  :whistler:

I'm open to the facts. There have been none. Only suggestive pictures with NO supporting information about what really was going on there. I have said this all along and would love to know the facts. No one is saying.

Here again is the original article:

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html (http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html)

As you can see long on opinion, short on facts. It certainly doesn't look good... but without facts its hard to know for sure whats going on. In the absence of facts we are just speculating at this point as you well know. As is the photographer and certainly Mike Smith as well.

The image metadata says Sharon Tisdale aka Shazzarati. According to google, the reputable news agencies have stopped talking to her but Mike Smith seems to publish pretty much everything she says. Lets see if this continues.

It may be the only way to hear whats going on in future, unsubstantiated or otherwise.

Maybe it will.  ;)
I mean we haven't seen any media photographs of asylum seekers or boats since Julia Gillard gagged the free press.

I missed the memo on that one and couldn't find any information about it. Have you some details about it for me? Not being provocative, I just want to know more about this.

On the other topic, Tony did say it might take a while to sort out stopping the boats which is fair enough. Lets see how he goes.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 04:24:24
Keep up with the program, Dave, or your bias might start showing, too. :disapp:

I think that started showing long ago, Um...  :lol:

As for the boats, I was being generous and didn't count the boats that arrived before Abbott was sworn in....  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 23, 2013, 04:33:07
 :eek:
Keep up with the program, Dave, or your bias might start showing, too. :disapp:

I think that started showing long ago, Um...  :lol:

As for the boats, I was being generous and didn't count the boats that arrived before Abbott was sworn in....  :D

Maybe they are slowing due to the PNG policy. Just saying. :eek:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 23, 2013, 04:40:11
Like you, Keith, I don't recall Julia ever "gagging the free press", particularly in relation to photos of asylum seekers.I know I saw a continuous stream in the media.

I wonder where Dave made that one up got that one from. :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 23, 2013, 09:37:28
Here's some refreshing news. :disapp:

http://wap.news.bigpond.com/articles/TopStories/2013/09/23/Govt_wont_reveal_boat_turn_arounds_908617.html#.Uj_8apF_XJs (http://wap.news.bigpond.com/articles/TopStories/2013/09/23/Govt_wont_reveal_boat_turn_arounds_908617.html#.Uj_8apF_XJs)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 12:03:53
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.

Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?  :lol:

You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.

What, barely 3 months ago?  :undecided: :eek:

I meant six years ago.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 12:05:52

ONE boat arrives since the Liberals take over and you make a comment like that.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Your bias is showing, Mr Rustynutz.

Correction, Dave, eight boats have arrived.

Keep up with the program, Dave, or your bias might start showing, too. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christmas-island-residents-will-tell-the-world-about-asylum-seeker-arrivals-union-leader-20130923-2u8se.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christmas-island-residents-will-tell-the-world-about-asylum-seeker-arrivals-union-leader-20130923-2u8se.html)

That's biased UM.
That is since the day after the election, not since he was sworn in as PM.
Get with the program, Terry, or is your bias showing?  ;)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 12:06:33
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/9411_10151698264903002_1855977963_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 12:18:06
Love it!  :lol:  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 12:21:52
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.

Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?  :lol:

You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.

What, barely 3 months ago?  :undecided: :eek:

I meant six years ago.

I wasn't aware that Rudd took over from Julia 6 years ago....  :eek:  :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 12:34:09
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.

Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?  :lol:

You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.




I meant six years ago.

I wasn't aware that Rudd took over from Julia 6 years ago....  :eek:  :snigger:

Point to you.  :hatoff:
I meant when Rudd took over six years ago.
But does that mean that you acknowledge there were failings to overcome when Rudd took over from Gillard?
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 12:44:41
I do.
I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one.  :whistler:

I'm open to the facts. There have been none. Only suggestive pictures with NO supporting information about what really was going on there. I have said this all along and would love to know the facts. No one is saying.

Here again is the original article:

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html (http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html)

As you can see long on opinion, short on facts. It certainly doesn't look good... but without facts its hard to know for sure whats going on. In the absence of facts we are just speculating at this point as you well know. As is the photographer and certainly Mike Smith as well.

The image metadata says Sharon Tisdale aka Shazzarati. According to google, the reputable news agencies have stopped talking to her but Mike Smith seems to publish pretty much everything she says. Lets see if this continues.

It may be the only way to hear whats going on in future, unsubstantiated or otherwise.

Maybe it will.  ;)
I mean we haven't seen any media photographs of asylum seekers or boats since Julia Gillard gagged the free press.

I missed the memo on that one and couldn't find any information about it. Have you some details about it for me? Not being provocative, I just want to know more about this.

On the other topic, Tony did say it might take a while to sort out stopping the boats which is fair enough. Lets see how he goes.

The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.

When they wanted to use such images for their own political gain they did so, yet for months prior to this, you would not have seen photos of this nature in Australian newspapers.

The Federal Government has been accused of employing a double standard over images purportedly showing the first group of asylum seekers to be processed under its new policy.

On Monday the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) released several photos which it says show a group of 81 Iranians being told the news that their hopes of settling in Australia have been dashed.

One pixelated image depicts a woman with her head in her hands, and is captioned: "A female asylum seeker comes to terms with the fact she won't be settled in Australia."

No journalists were allowed in to the Christmas Island location where the asylum seekers were briefed, and there is no way of verifying the material.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-22/government-under-fire-for-asylum-seeker-photos/4835940 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-22/government-under-fire-for-asylum-seeker-photos/4835940)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 15:23:50
According to the article, departmental policy (which may be but is not not always policy mandated by the government) does not forbid media images and recording.

"DIAC is willing to grant to the Media Entity access to immigration detention facilities in a manner that respects the privacy of the detainee clients residing in such facilities, and protects the identities of both the detainee clients and other third parties," the agreement states.


Therefore your earlier statement is incorrect about "the government" banning media information about the boats - according to this article anyway. I searched high and low, I can't find any such reference to a previous government sponsored media clampdown. 

Anyway, this explains the rise of shazzarati and her telephoto lens. There is no restriction on taking image from outside the detention center (from public places). But because there is no journalistic validation, it is unable to be established what these pictures tell us. All they show us are people and boats. Any conclusion drawn is purely speculation - however it looks. And I know you know this. Nice deflection last time btw. ;)

This explains why the mainstream news now won't use her information - there's no validation. And without validation, its worthless as news. You saw what Mike Smith did with it - nothing newsworthy. He made some personal observations and some snide comments. He reported nothing because he knows nothing about what was actually going on. 

This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly). The argument of double standards was Nick Xenophon grandstanding which is what he does. The national security thing you have latched on to is not mentioned anywhere. Maybe we should ask Mulder about this - he was right btw but I digress.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon says it is a double standard given the tight rules around journalists getting access to asylum seekers.

The picture released concealed the woman's identity meeting the departments regulations. Not sure what the fuss is about. They abided by the same rules as everyone else. The problem for the media is that its hard to make a compelling human interest story if they abide by the rules. They can't tell us about Fahdi's terrible oppression and terrifying journey in the hope of seeking a better way of life. What they can say is Fahdi (not his real name)... which has been done to death, pardon the pun. That's why we only hear about really shocking news such as the boat that went into the rocks for example. And pictures as well since it happened outside the compound. There were journalists on that which is why it ended up all over the news. I think you will find that's what they are talking about regarding media restrictions as spelled out in the departments guidelines.

There was no need for the previous government to report the number of boats since the Libs have been giving a running commentary on the topic for years. Anyway, its Tony's turn now. Lets see how that works out.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 15:28:06
I agree on one thing.
There is nothing (that I can find) published on the internet about it.
But I actually remember Gillard stating this as fact and following that, the images that were on the front pages of our newspapers stopped.
I know you have already drawn your own conclusions, but I heard what I heard, from Gillard herself.
And she gave the reason as being it was a risk to national security.
In fact I had several conversations about it at the time as I couldn't understand why the media just seemed to lay down and take it, but it happened and I stand by that.
I know that no amount of me typing will convince you and that doesn't matter.
I heard what I heard and I saw the results.
Did you not question why the images stopped many months ago?
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 15:38:11
Once again you presume. I have not made my mind up at all as I have not examined both sides of the story.

By way of explanation, an anecdote: if you stand an engineer in front of a white house and ask what colour is the back of the house, they will respond, "I do not know I have not seen it". I am waiting to see the back of the house on this issue. THEN I will be in a position to draw a conclusion. I am not doubting your recollection, but I would like to see it for myself.

That I believe is evidence of an open mind.  :goodjob2:

I have been so tuned out on account of the political bs surrounding the issue for so long I don't recall the images stopping. I actually don't recall the images in the first place. A bit like this:

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/47/153603564_7281ad0588.jpg)

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 23, 2013, 15:46:24
Once again you presume.

Presume?  :rofl: Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.

I think you made your position pretty clear with this:

This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 16:22:13
Once again you presume.

Presume?  :rofl: Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.

I think you made your position pretty clear with this:

This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).

Dave, from what I can see, Keith was just quoting YOUR quote there...   :undecided:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 23, 2013, 22:46:19
I know you have already drawn your own conclusions, but I heard what I heard, from Gillard herself.

I heard and saw her say, "There will not be a carbon tax",  :Yeah:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 23:59:35
Once again you presume.

Presume?  :rofl: Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.

I think you made your position pretty clear with this:

This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.


As noted, these are your words, not mine. You are attacking your own argument here. ;) 

This is a media blackout: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/asylum-boat-breaches-border-and-blackout/story-fn9hm1gu-1226724814899 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/asylum-boat-breaches-border-and-blackout/story-fn9hm1gu-1226724814899)

In contrast the policy of the previous government was described as: Under Labor, media releases were issued every time an asylum boat arrived, usually within 24 hours of interception.

You are welcome to your perspective but I believe sincerely you really do have the wrong end of the stick on this one irrespective if someone once said "national security".  The primary issue is the departmental guideline around privacy, not national security and this is only for access to detainees. Papers stopped printing pictures because there was no news value in it unless a boat hit the rocks with disastrous consequences. Information about the numbers were freely available via press release and debated relentlessly in parliament. There was no media blackout and articles did appear from time to time, generally associated with some calamitous or otherwise newsworthy event and accompanied by a file photo of a boat.  News organisations had conditional access to detainees subject to maintaining privacy of detainees. It was also stated that detainees had access to phones and could make outbound calls without restriction. I vaguely recall news articles about the plight of detainees at Naurau and Villawood for example. A quick google search shows many such articles over time, some quite recently in fact.

So still no evidence anywhere of a media blackout declared by the previous government. This is not forming an opinion btw, just reporting my own research. Although you may have to admit, this line of reasoning is looking more compelling than the alternative.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 24, 2013, 00:58:32
Gentlemen, I feel that we need a change, someone with a "can do" attitude, someone who can Advance Australia. However, we need to seek outside the country for talent like this. Here is a possible candidate.

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Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 24, 2013, 01:10:19
She's a sweet young thing.... :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 24, 2013, 01:19:45
Once again you presume.

Presume?  :rofl: Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.

I think you made your position pretty clear with this:

This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).

Dave, from what I can see, Keith was just quoting YOUR quote there...   :undecided:

This is what I was referring to. This bit.

This made me laugh.
I think you got hold of the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 24, 2013, 02:23:20
Once again you presume.

Presume?  :rofl: Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.

I think you made your position pretty clear with this:

This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).

Dave, from what I can see, Keith was just quoting YOUR quote there...   :undecided:

This is what I was referring to. This bit.

This made me laugh.
I think you got hold of the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).


Ah yes. Sometimes I am incredibly amusing... :)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 24, 2013, 02:26:14
Once again you presume.

Presume?  :rofl: Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.

I think you made your position pretty clear with this:

This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).

Dave, from what I can see, Keith was just quoting YOUR quote there...   :undecided:

This is what I was referring to. This bit.

This made me laugh.
I think you got hold of the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).


That's almost believable, Dave...  :P  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 24, 2013, 02:48:27
But nowhere near as amusing as Scott Morrison apparently:

A people smuggler jailed in Indonesia has ridiculed Scott Morrison's vow of silence about new asylum boat arrivals, saying the smuggling networks do not rely on Australian government press releases for their information.

The smuggler, Dawood Amiri, told Fairfax Media that the policy "won't change anything" from the syndicates' point of view.

"When the boat is being rescued and the passengers on board see the Australian authorities, they call the Hawaladar from their satellite phone. Then the smuggler gets the money," Amiri said.
Advertisement

A Hawaladar is a trusted third party, often based in Afghanistan or Pakistan, who holds the money in trust for passengers on boats. The money is only released to the people smuggler when the boat arrives safely.

"This new policy can work only if the Abbott minister buys all the satellite phones in Indonesia (like they want to buy the scrap boats)," Amiri said.

"That's a stupid policy. The politicians are wasting their time."


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/people-smuggler-ridicules-scott-morrisons-silence-on-boat-arrivals-20130924-2ub2z.html#ixzz2flqGoYvw (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/people-smuggler-ridicules-scott-morrisons-silence-on-boat-arrivals-20130924-2ub2z.html#ixzz2flqGoYvw)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 24, 2013, 02:53:47
BAHAHAHA!!!  :happydance:  :rofl:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blogs/blunt-instrument/what-we-dont-know-cant-hurt-us-20130924-2uaqd.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blogs/blunt-instrument/what-we-dont-know-cant-hurt-us-20130924-2uaqd.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 24, 2013, 03:29:59
Abbott's model to wreck a government may come back to bite him...

September 14, 2013

Tony Abbott is promising again and again that he will lead a "methodical, measured, calm" government. But he's overlooking something. He's just finished writing a rip-roaring new guidebook on how to be a successful opposition.
It's the Abbott model of how to destroy a government. And guess what? The Labor party noticed.

Rule No. 1: Don't give the government a thing. Fight it up hill, down dale, day in day out. Be strident, be angry, be unreasonable. Apply maximum pressure and see what cracks.

Rule No. 2: Don't allow the government to control the narrative. Make a lot of noise. Fill the airwaves with angry dissent and maximum outrage. Generate an impression of disorder. If you control the narrative, you control the psychological battlespace.
 
Rule No. 3: Exploit the deadliest of all contemporary policy issues, the one that was central to the downfall of the last three prime ministers: climate change. This remains a potent issue and will remain so for years


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/abbotts-model-to-wreck-a-government-may-come-back-to-bite-him-20130913-2tqa7.html#ixzz2fm08qTxw (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/abbotts-model-to-wreck-a-government-may-come-back-to-bite-him-20130913-2tqa7.html#ixzz2fm08qTxw)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 24, 2013, 11:19:51
It appears John Howard's top Navy man thinks Tony's barking up the wrong tree. Just saying. :whistler:

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2013/09/24/Ex-defence_bosses_slam_boat_blackout_908981.html (http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2013/09/24/Ex-defence_bosses_slam_boat_blackout_908981.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 27, 2013, 02:59:28
I've been wondering how long it would take.....  :p

:link: (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/hockey-exposes-8220litany-of-failures8221-in-labor8217s-forecasts-but-stops-short-of-promising-a-surplus-in-its-first-year/story-fncynjr2-1226728442460)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 27, 2013, 03:26:44
I've been wondering how long it would take.....  :p

:link: (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/hockey-exposes-8220litany-of-failures8221-in-labor8217s-forecasts-but-stops-short-of-promising-a-surplus-in-its-first-year/story-fncynjr2-1226728442460)
Well, you can hardly expect him to hide the figures.
He's not Labor.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 27, 2013, 04:33:22
I've been wondering how long it would take.....  :p

:link: (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/hockey-exposes-8220litany-of-failures8221-in-labor8217s-forecasts-but-stops-short-of-promising-a-surplus-in-its-first-year/story-fncynjr2-1226728442460)

You can't keep the truth hidden for ever.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 27, 2013, 05:01:36
Well, you can hardly expect him to hide the figures.

Only his own figures, hey?...  :lol:
We're already seeing him trying to hide his turning back the boat fails.... :whistler:

You can't keep the truth hidden for ever.

Quite right, how long before Joe Public finds out what Abbott & the Libs are really like?  :winker:  :lol:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 27, 2013, 05:12:13
Rusty, maybe you could change your avatar to an ostrich.  :snigger: :wink:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 27, 2013, 05:33:33
Funny, I was just thinking you could use this one for yourself....  :whistler:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/potkettleblack_zpsd9f440c9.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 27, 2013, 05:37:02
Funny, I was just thinking you could use this one for yourself....  :whistler:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/potkettleblack_zpsd9f440c9.jpg~original)
But..................

I'm not the one who's posting several times a day in this thread and its predecessor.

Methinks you protestest too much.

 :rofl: :disapp: :P
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 27, 2013, 05:47:59
So that makes me an ostrich how?  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 27, 2013, 06:01:09
All of this plus pretty much every thing else you have posted.
It's called "one sided"
But, I've had my say.
Some people just can't let go.
Or accept the judge's decision. Just get on with your life and have another go in 3 years.
Well, you can hardly expect him to hide the figures.

Only his own figures, hey?...  :lol:
We're already seeing him trying to hide his turning back the boat fails.... :whistler:

You can't keep the truth hidden for ever.

Quite right, how long before Joe Public finds out what Abbott & the Libs are really like?  :winker:  :lol:


Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 27, 2013, 06:13:34
Peace brothers.  :backontopic:

This is standard operating practice for a newly elected incoming party. I predicted it long ago. SOP is "woe is us the lying b@st@rds have been telling porkies about the figures, we can't do what we said", etc, etc, all their fault. This is why the figures could be so rubbery ahead of the election, they knew they could/would pull this stunt.

However, that's for beginners.

The advanced version is an "independent inquiry" or sometimes "audit" is conducted and a whole new set of figures is released. This is usually followed by mock outrage, rescinding of election promises and rolling out the true agenda including axing a shedload of public servants. We have already been told the inquiry will happen as well as axing of public servants so no one should be surprised when this occurs.

That's why I was alarmed at Hockey getting the gong, he can't count, he has no idea what an audit is. On the bright side he does what he is told and doesn't appear to ask too many questions. Yes Prime Minister.

I'm almost bold enough to bet a testicle that pulling the pin or deferring on many of the election promises will happen using this as a pretext.

Let the show roll on.


“History is written by the victors.”
― Winston Churchill
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 27, 2013, 06:19:17
A clarification: this is standard for new governments of all political persuasions. Any that fail to do this are setting themselves up for a hard time.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 27, 2013, 06:47:52
All of this plus pretty much every thing else you have posted.
It's called "one sided"
But, I've had my say.
Some people just can't let go.
Or accept the judge's decision. Just get on with your life and have another go in 3 years.

Whatever.... :fum:  :head_butt: :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 27, 2013, 13:17:27

That's why I was alarmed at Hockey getting the gong, he can't count, he has no idea what an audit is. On the bright side he does what he is told and doesn't appear to ask too many questions. Yes Prime Minister.

Bulldust.

“History is written by the victors.”
― Winston Churchill


The victors are now in power.
As Trev said, accept it, get over it.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 27, 2013, 14:50:53
Geez, who put both of you in charge of the fun police?  :head_butt:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 27, 2013, 20:51:09
I hope the coalition are gracious and "accept the judge's decision" when their legislation gets blocked by The Senate. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 27, 2013, 21:50:44
Those of us who comment on the shortcomings of the coalition now they are in power have as much right to do so as those who criticised Labor's shortcomings while they were in power. I'm afraid it has nothing to do with getting "over it" :disapp:

An example of those shortcomings...

The pre-election disaster of invasion by asylum seekers is now only a "passing irritant"

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-says-boats-issue-with-indonesia-a-passing-irritant-20130927-2uhzs.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-says-boats-issue-with-indonesia-a-passing-irritant-20130927-2uhzs.html)



Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 28, 2013, 00:52:58
Tony Abbott's incredible disappearing act

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-26/green-tony-abbotts-incredible-disappearing-act/4980664 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-26/green-tony-abbotts-incredible-disappearing-act/4980664)


Button up: Abbott to keep ministers in check

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/button-up-abbott-to-keep-ministers-in-check-20130925-2uelx.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/button-up-abbott-to-keep-ministers-in-check-20130925-2uelx.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 28, 2013, 03:20:36
You're a naughty boy, rustynutz. Get back in your box. :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 28, 2013, 03:30:49
Just giving a so called "one sided" view of "Tony "About Face" Abbott, Um....  :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 28, 2013, 03:33:46
Just giving a so called "one sided" view of "Tony "About Face" Abbott, Um....  :snigger:

Shame on you. You'll upset the fun police. :eek:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 28, 2013, 03:37:49
So what else is new?  :whistler:  :snigger:

Some people really need to get a sense of humour...  :head_butt:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 28, 2013, 03:44:20
Do you mean a sense of humour like this, rustynutz? :rofl:

Tony Abbott In: The Fundamentalist Adventures Of Tony Abbott (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BC49dJSo5k#)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 28, 2013, 03:58:28
 :lol:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 28, 2013, 05:50:09

That's why I was alarmed at Hockey getting the gong, he can't count, he has no idea what an audit is. On the bright side he does what he is told and doesn't appear to ask too many questions. Yes Prime Minister.

Bulldust.

“History is written by the victors.”
― Winston Churchill


The victors are now in power.
As Trev said, accept it, get over it.

I accepted it was going to happen long ago. 

Luckily it's the nature of a democratic system that I am able to point out every defect, every flaw and every lie as I see fit, just as you have done. I have about 3 years worth of I told you so being rolled out right now. You have about the same amount of apologising or justifying for whats about to happen coming up - should you choose to do so of course.

There is nothing to get over, this is a dynamic process. Every day brings a new bundle of fun to dissect, examine and dissertate. It's going to be huge fun. ;)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 28, 2013, 06:54:18
@UM,  :hahaha:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 28, 2013, 09:16:58
I'll start here: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn-dooms-australia-to-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn-dooms-australia-to-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html)

Letting telcos cherry-pick profitable suburbs will put us right back where we started – with Telstra holding the country to ransom.

Anyone who thinks that regulators like the ACCC will ensure all ISPs get a fair deal clearly hasn't been paying attention for the last few decades.

The real reason why Australia needs a national broadband network has been lost amid the political and technical arguments of the last few years. The primary purpose of the NBN isn't to deliver 100 Mbps download speeds across the country. Nor is the primary purpose of the NBN to run fibre to every home. The primary purpose of the NBN is to fix the hotch potch broadband infrastructure and monopolistic quagmire created by decades of market failure and regulatory impotence – an environment which empowered the monster that is Telstra.



If you read my comments in the NBN thread, you'll see that I agree this is entirely the case. The high speeds to home issue is where the Libs hijacked the debate for their own nefarious purposes. Onwards...


Telstra has abused its control over the copper infrastructure time and again to stifle competition and limit innovation. There was a time when Telstra refused to enable ADSL2+ in an exchange until a competing telco installed its own ADSL2+ infrastructure. The Telstra and Optus HFC cable rollouts of the 1990s did little to alleviate the problem, cherry-picking the profitable suburbs while chasing each other down one street and then skipping the next. More recently the haphazard approach to rolling out broadband infrastructure in greenfield sites has created entire estates where homes have no choice when it comes to their internet service provider.

This chaotic broadband rollout has created a vast digital divide between Australia's haves and have-nots. It's not just a divide between the cities and the country, it's a divide which exists within suburbs and even within streets. The quality of your home and business internet connection is basically pot luck depending on how Telstra's monopolistic behaviour has impacted on the available infrastructure and choice of providers.

A case in point, my next door neighbour is hooked up to 100 Mbps HFC cable but I'm stuck on a wavering 5 Mbps ADSL2+ connection – a speed which actually makes me one of the lucky ones in this country. As a city dweller it's easy to forget that some homes are lucky to get 1 or 2 Mbps depending on the quality of the copper line and their distance from the exchange. Some homes are actually still stuck on dial-up thanks to infrastructure bottlenecks which current market forces and regulation have failed to address.

Australia's current broadband infrastructure is the equivalent of running a mix of bitumen, gravel and dirt roads through every suburb in the country and then letting Holden decide which cars can drive on which roads. The haphazard quality of Australia's broadband infrastructure is hampering potential high-speed services which require a critical mass of users to be viable. Meanwhile Telstra has continually abused its power to hinder competitors – from restricting their access to telephone exchanges to deliberately dropping its retail prices below its wholesale prices.

The real blame for this mess doesn't actually lie with Telstra. It lies with politicians and regulators who created an environment in which Telstra could abuse its power. Blame falls on both sides of politics and it goes back at least as far as the refusal to separate Telecom into retail and wholesale arms. Instead our politicians left the country's biggest telecommunications retailer in charge of the nation's infrastructure and then invited competitors to play by Telstra's rules.

The decision to build a fibre-to-the-home network was not simply a technical decision to bypass the copper network, it was more of a business decision to cut Telstra out of the picture. Sol Trujillo made it painfully clear that Telstra couldn't be trusted to own and operate the NBN and share it fairly with competitors. This would simply replicate the existing problems. So an entirely new network was proposed, relegating Telstra to the role of retailer while NBN Co acted as wholesaler and offered equal access to all internet service providers. We'd finally have what Telstra feared most: a level playing field.

The Coalition has made it clear that if it wins government on Saturday it intends to scale back the NBN and use a mix of technologies to reach Australian homes. Running fibre to every home would obviously be the preferable solution, but I'm open to some discussion on that issue because, as I said, rolling out fibre isn't the primary purpose of the NBN. The bigger concern is that Malcolm Turnbull makes it clear in The Australian today that he's open to the idea of letting competing telcos build different parts of the NBN – allowing them to cherry-pick the profitable suburbs while making it harder for NBN Co to sustain the network in less profitable areas. If you don't live in the inner city, then this plan should make you quite nervous.

Turnbull's plan is exactly the kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place. To make matters worse, you can be sure that Telstra will be the telco to cherry-pick the best areas and then hamper efforts by competitors to reach those customers. Anyone who thinks that regulators like the ACCC will ensure all ISPs get a fair deal clearly hasn't been paying attention for the last few decades. We're talking about a regulator which seems genuinely surprised when the price of petrol goes up every long weekend. Telstra's promises of structural separation mean little when it's already broken those rules as part of the NBN roll out, letting its retail arm access sensitive information regarding competing telcos. UPDATE: Telstra has already broken the structural separation rules seven times this year, granting its retail arm access to sensitive information about competitors. Promises from Turnbull to enforce these rules don't fill me with confidence.

Australia's current broadband system is fundamentally flawed. It's not about download speeds or connection technologies, it's about one powerful player abusing that power to the detriment of us all. Market forces and regulation have failed. The only way to fix the problem is to take away Telstra's power, one way or another.

If Turnbull and the Abbott government let Telstra cherry-pick the most profitable parts of the NBN then we'll be back where we started, having wasted billions of dollars without actually addressing the real problem. If Turnbull has his way, Telstra will hold Australia to ransom for another 30 years.


Here's the first gigantic cock up. Discuss. Before you do, read this: http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/coalitions-policy-for-e-government-and-the-digital-economy#.UkaOBT8XHPo (http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/coalitions-policy-for-e-government-and-the-digital-economy#.UkaOBT8XHPo)

How do they expect to accomplish this with the cobbled together infrastructure they are proposing?? Never mind, someone will figure it out down the track I'm sure.

This is worth a read as well: http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/our-nbn-policy#.UkaPsz8XHPo (http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/our-nbn-policy#.UkaPsz8XHPo)

Especially the comments. I tend to agree with this one:

Julian Robinson on 13th September 2013 at 10:44am

Malcolm it is simply disingenuous to say that the election was an expression of approval by the electorate for your version of the NBN. The election was a vote to get rid of Kevin Rudd and the Coalition didn't win it on *anything* other than your effective dismantling of public goodwill towards the Labor Government, despite what it might feel like from the inside. Labor lost it because of a delusional PM and his years of destabilisation while apparently working for the Coalition. There is no 'mandate' for your NBN (just look at polls that ask the question), just as there is no mandate for your ridiculous climate change policy.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 28, 2013, 10:26:55
I just watched Tony Abbott on the ABC news refusing to answer questions from the media about the latest asylum seeker boat tragedy. Stony silence....not a word from our PM.

Not even an expression of sympathy for those who lost their lives. Goose. :disapp:

Maybe Scott Morrison can tell us all about it at his next weekly update.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 29, 2013, 00:03:33
Get your hand off of my wallet, George & Barney. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brandis-joyce-attended-wedding-on-taxpayers-tab-20130928-2ulgn.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brandis-joyce-attended-wedding-on-taxpayers-tab-20130928-2ulgn.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Just Rick on September 29, 2013, 00:27:15
 :whistler:                           :whistler:                         :whistler:
           (http://i.imgur.com/ozT6sch.jpg)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 29, 2013, 00:32:47
Good one, Rick... :goodjob:  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 29, 2013, 00:44:32
Get your hand off of my wallet, George & Barney. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brandis-joyce-attended-wedding-on-taxpayers-tab-20130928-2ulgn.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brandis-joyce-attended-wedding-on-taxpayers-tab-20130928-2ulgn.html)

Why doesn't that surprise me... :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 29, 2013, 02:38:03

That's why I was alarmed at Hockey getting the gong, he can't count, he has no idea what an audit is. On the bright side he does what he is told and doesn't appear to ask too many questions. Yes Prime Minister.

Bulldust.

“History is written by the victors.”
― Winston Churchill


I'll see your rebuttal and respond with facts:

http://www.youtube.com/v/xYquo--5tl0

Now this was 2010. And when the "audit" was exposed as a fraud his response, "mate, I don't want to go there". Now that's starting to sound real familiar. Shall we call him JoeLiar??
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 29, 2013, 03:33:09
How very "one sided", Keith....  :snigger:

You'd swear ol' Joe was a total "dick" watching that....oh wait, he IS a total dick...  :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 29, 2013, 03:37:22
No wonder Joe is such a wiz, here's his calculator....  :lol:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/TheJoeHockeyCalculator_zps5e97d525.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 29, 2013, 03:51:55
And then I'll raise you with this: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/more-performances-like-this-and-joe-hockey-will-send-confidence-backwards-20130927-2ujp6.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/more-performances-like-this-and-joe-hockey-will-send-confidence-backwards-20130927-2ujp6.html)

Apparently we'll see the plan to return the budget to surplus in the next few months... maybe - if the numbers are robust whatever that means. Here is a man so far out of his depth its not funny. You can see it on his face and now there's nowhere to hide, no one to blame. Bring it on JoeLiar.

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 29, 2013, 04:19:23
Here is a man so far out of his depth its not funny. You can see it on his face and now there's nowhere to hide, no one to blame. Bring it on JoeLiar.

He might like to slip this back on.....  :whistler:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/lifejacket_zpsb4a65d97.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 29, 2013, 05:04:29
Now, now, Keith and Rusty, keep it down or you'll set off the fun police alarm. :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 29, 2013, 05:18:31
Get your hand off of my wallet, George & Barney. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brandis-joyce-attended-wedding-on-taxpayers-tab-20130928-2ulgn.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brandis-joyce-attended-wedding-on-taxpayers-tab-20130928-2ulgn.html)

Looks like it wasn't a media beatup after all. Could it be George and Barnaby are the early coalition nominees for "The Peter Slipper Award"?

If you didn't pinch taxpayers money in the first place place, why would you feel the need to pay it back? :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/george-brandis-pays-back-wedding-expenses-20130929-2um4m.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/george-brandis-pays-back-wedding-expenses-20130929-2um4m.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 29, 2013, 05:55:01
Now, now, Keith and Rusty, keep it down or you'll set off the fun police alarm. :rofl:
That just begs a comeback, but I reckon I'll just leave you children to play amongst yourselves.  :mrgreen:
I like "fun" as much as the next guy but this is more like sour grapes.  :p

The trouble is, you guys seem to be totally in acceptance of things the press says................. :disapp:
Which is rather telling in itself.

Have fun kiddies.  :wink: :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 29, 2013, 06:15:12
Being pissed off at a politian stealing taxpayer's money to go to a mate's wedding is not "sour grapes", Trev.

I know the conservative side of politics will find nothing wrong with this type of behaviour but I do. And George Brandis found it pretty unsavoury when Craig Thompson did it, even though Craig Thompson wasn't an MP when his alleged fraud took place.

Frighteningly hypocritical double standards from our Attorney General. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 29, 2013, 06:18:09
I honestly don't think EITHER side of politics would think there was nothing wrong with it.
But let's face it. No one's got clean fingers in this game.  :evil:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 29, 2013, 06:20:12
I honestly don't think EITHER side of politics would think there was nothing wrong with it.
But let's face it. No one's got clean fingers in this game.  :evil:

Dirty fingers doesn't excuse theft of taxpayers money. But the coalition have a track record for it. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Surferdude on September 29, 2013, 06:35:44
I honestly don't think EITHER side of politics would think there was nothing wrong with it.
But let's face it. No one's got clean fingers in this game.  :evil:

Dirty fingers doesn't excuse theft of taxpayers money. But the coalition have a track record for it. :disapp:
Dirty fingers are a RESULT of theft of taxpayers' money.
But to suggest only the Coalition has a track record for it is the sort of biased comment I find disturbing on here.

I'll not participate anymore mate.
It's too emotive an issue and one which can't be answered by reference to press reports.

Over the years I've voted for both sides of politics. I like to think I've analysed the issues objectively each time but, at the end of the day, one can never be sure.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on September 29, 2013, 08:05:57
Now, now, Keith and Rusty, keep it down or you'll set off the fun police alarm. :rofl:
That just begs a comeback, but I reckon I'll just leave you children to play amongst yourselves.  :mrgreen:
I like "fun" as much as the next guy but this is more like sour grapes.  :p

The trouble is, you guys seem to be totally in acceptance of things the press says................. :disapp:
Which is rather telling in itself.

Have fun kiddies.  :wink: :snigger:

C'mon Trev, this is a perfectly legit Socratic discussion going on here.  :P
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: The Gonz on September 29, 2013, 09:33:42
... and, I hope, platonic as well. :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Just Rick on September 29, 2013, 12:24:44

The trouble is, you guys seem to be totally in acceptance of things the press says................. :disapp:
Which is rather telling in itself.


Being the person on the recieving end of media reports over the years and how they twist what you tell them,I take most media reports with a pinch of salt as they should be taken.

Politicians pinching Tax payers money is not a new thing nor is it just done by the Libs,politicians like the Rich,did not get to where they are through they honesty,like I've said before "how do you know a politician is lying,his/her mouth is moving"

Tony's turn back the boat policy,is just to stop letting the PPL knowing what is happening,his rational of saying this is stopping information  getting back to the said PPL smugglers,all I can say is BULLHOCKEY Tony,They already have  information base here,they don't need our media to let them know what is going  on,his media ploy is simply to stop letting us know how many boats are still getting  here.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on September 30, 2013, 04:06:01
Disclaimer:- This post is just more "bias" backed up by another news report which  I am "totally in acceptance" with.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/acting-opposition-leader-chris-bowen-lashes-attorneygeneral-george-brandis-as-a-hypocrite-20130930-2un4d.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/acting-opposition-leader-chris-bowen-lashes-attorneygeneral-george-brandis-as-a-hypocrite-20130930-2un4d.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on September 30, 2013, 12:10:02
Hear hear!  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 02, 2013, 11:55:43
I watched Clive Palmer on Australian Story the other night. He basically said, "If we don't vote got it (legislation), it won't get passed." He may be right.

Interesting times ahead for Tony Abbott.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-united-party-claims-three-senate-seats-while-greens-senator-scott-ludlam-misses-out-20131002-2us3z.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/palmer-united-party-claims-three-senate-seats-while-greens-senator-scott-ludlam-misses-out-20131002-2us3z.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 03, 2013, 05:53:47
Julia said the other night its one thing to say no and be a pest on the opposition benches and another to develop and successfully implement policy in government. She said this was something Tony will soon discover. Its an observation made by numerous commentators actually, the former opposition have been so effective at blocking and diluting policy there is now a clear model to follow. They may become victims of their own success, assuming of course Labour get their stuff together in opposition.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 03, 2013, 08:24:39
Good comment, Keith.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 03, 2013, 10:48:36
Opposition has the requirement to oppose legislation that is not within the party guidelines or morally unacceptable, not stonewall legislation to score political points.

The needs of the Australian public, outweigh the needs of the party, or the one.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 03, 2013, 10:57:48
:rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: The Gonz on October 03, 2013, 11:35:16
Live long and prosper, Phil. :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 03, 2013, 14:14:20
A feature of politics from both sides is the comment where the party is elevated above public interest such as I did it for the good of the party. Members of political parties are an insignificant minority compared to the constituency at large and as a result the interests of the party should be somewhere below the interests of the nation.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 06, 2013, 00:04:32
I wish the Australian taxpayers would pay for me to "study" in India. :disapp:


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-bucks-for-mps-bollywood-adventure-20131005-2v0wf.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-bucks-for-mps-bollywood-adventure-20131005-2v0wf.html)

And I sure would have loved to go to Sophie's wedding as a guest of those same generous taxpayers.  :disapp:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-repays-expenses-after-charging-taxpayers-to-attend-sophie-mirabellas-wedding-20131006-2v1ny.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-repays-expenses-after-charging-taxpayers-to-attend-sophie-mirabellas-wedding-20131006-2v1ny.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 06, 2013, 00:27:10
Unreal!  :Shocked: 

Lucky they're worth it...  :snigger:  :fum:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 06, 2013, 03:01:05
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/wedding-travel-costs-were-valid-turnbull/story-e6frfku9-1226733657698 (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/wedding-travel-costs-were-valid-turnbull/story-e6frfku9-1226733657698)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 09, 2013, 08:34:30
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/wedding-travel-costs-were-valid-turnbull/story-e6frfku9-1226733657698 (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/wedding-travel-costs-were-valid-turnbull/story-e6frfku9-1226733657698)

Bulltish they were. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 09, 2013, 08:38:06
Will Joe & Tony ever get their P plates? :disapp:

http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086 (http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 09, 2013, 10:57:11
Will Joe & Tony ever get their P plates? :disapp:

http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086 (http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086)

That's classic..... :goodjob:

Now, over to you, Dave.....  :whistler: :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 09, 2013, 11:10:47
Will Joe & Tony ever get their P plates? :disapp:

http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086 (http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086)

That's classic..... :goodjob:

Now, over to you, Dave.....  :whistler: :snigger:

Not going to happen, Rusty. :disapp:

BTW, I have a good Shimano bait caster reel sitting in the garage doing nothing. :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 09, 2013, 11:21:25
 :goodjob:  :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 09, 2013, 11:29:15
Not as if this stupidity wasn't predicted. I didn't see the cone of silence descending though, that's genius. Say nothing and hope no one asks any questions.

I love this:

The favourite surely has been the "stop the boats" line which has changed more to stopping the flow, taking the sugar off the table and going to Indonesia and engaging in what has been very (very) charitably reported by some as a diplomatic success or a "strategic retreat". It involved Mr Abbott pretty much ignoring the issue in his talks with the Indonesian president, despite it once having been so front and centre.

I guess it must have slipped his mind.

What also seems to have slipped his mind is all the numerous times he and now Minister for Immigration (and Border Control, to give him his full absurd title) Scott Morrison trumpeted as loudly and as often as they could about any asylum seeker boat arrival. Now it seems such announcements are "shipping news" for people smugglers that will only encourage more boats.

Given the Liberal Party's election campaign was based on publicising the number of boat arrivals, either Morrison and Abbott are now lying, or they were guilty for the past three years of assisting people smugglers.

Either way it's all pretty laughable, though not as funny as Morrison's latest attempt to say that the Liberal Party never had a policy of towing back the boats. It took about a two-second Google search to find evidence of Scott Morrison and Tony Abbott and other Liberal MPs happily conversing on the subject of "tow-backs" without ever feeling the need to correct the record.

It is beginning to seem that Mr Abbott's comment on Monday with regards to the boat buyback scheme that "there was some misunderstanding of the policies we took to the election" could apply across the board. And as with the boat buyback scheme, the real problem is that everyone understood it all too clearly.

First class bullshit artists... to be blunt. And the public at large were stupid enough to buy the spin.  :blubber:

Bring on the next election so we can send these pretenders back where they belong. Hopefully they won't do any long term damage in the meanwhile.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 09, 2013, 13:16:53
I've said it a million times, be very afraid. He has no clue, none at all.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-lplates-are-there-for-all-to-see-20131009-2v752.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-lplates-are-there-for-all-to-see-20131009-2v752.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 09, 2013, 13:30:06
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 09, 2013, 13:37:49
I've said it a million times, be very afraid. He has no clue, none at all.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-lplates-are-there-for-all-to-see-20131009-2v752.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-lplates-are-there-for-all-to-see-20131009-2v752.html)

Well, at least Joe's fixed our "budget emergency". :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 09, 2013, 14:13:04
Will Joe & Tony ever get their P plates? :disapp:

http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086 (http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086)

That's classic..... :goodjob:

Now, over to you, Dave.....  :whistler: :snigger:

Not going to happen, Rusty. :disapp:

BTW, I have a good Shimano bait caster reel sitting in the garage doing nothing. :rofl:

Pointless me making comment.
Count me out of this thread now that we have "mission accomplished."
And besides, it's quite apparent to everyone that the three of you are more than capable of holding each others' willies.  ;)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 09, 2013, 14:33:36
Ah Dave, admit it, you're starting to see what a bunch of tossers you helped vote in and now you're too ashamed to stick up for them...  :lol:  :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 09, 2013, 14:39:55
 :kissmyass:  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 09, 2013, 14:55:35
 :KissLips:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 10, 2013, 03:41:55
Ah Dave, admit it, you're starting to see what a bunch of tossers you helped vote in and now you're too ashamed to stick up for them...  :lol:  :snigger:

 :whsaid:

Those who live by the sword, die by the sword - now all the lies are coming home to roost. And they've only been at this for a month. Imagine the cockups yet to come, especially from JoeLiar, the man without a clue. I wonder, is it a lie if you don't know what you are talking about, or just plain stupidity and ignorance?

Is it bias to point out the truth (pre-emptive strike)??
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 10, 2013, 05:46:29
Is it bias to point out the truth (pre-emptive strike)??

Only to those that voted for "Abbott & Co"....  :snigger:

Btw, do you reckon ol' Joe may have watched too many reruns of Ma & Pa Kettle as a kid?  :undecided:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omyUncKI7oU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omyUncKI7oU#)

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 10, 2013, 05:54:11
Is it bias to point out the truth (pre-emptive strike)??

Only to those that voted for "Abbott & Co"....  :snigger:

Btw, do you reckon ol' Joe may have watched too many reruns of Ma & Pa Kettle as a kid?  :undecided:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omyUncKI7oU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omyUncKI7oU#)

Its eleventy, everyone knows that.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 10, 2013, 09:56:51
Now I know where Joe learnt how to do sums. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hockeynomics 101 :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 10, 2013, 10:15:20
How surprising. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-rejects-calls-for-reform-of-mp-expenses-20131010-2vagx.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-rejects-calls-for-reform-of-mp-expenses-20131010-2vagx.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 10, 2013, 10:20:57
Bias, what bias???

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/free-nrl-finals-tickets-embarrass-contender-anthony-albanese-20131009-2v8pz.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/free-nrl-finals-tickets-embarrass-contender-anthony-albanese-20131009-2v8pz.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 10, 2013, 10:31:45
No kidding. They all need to get their stuff together. They crucified Peter Slipper and frankly it seems they all have the snouts in the trough.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 10, 2013, 11:36:02
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/carbon-tax-plans-could-cost-2bn-report/story-e6frfku9-1226736573878 (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/carbon-tax-plans-could-cost-2bn-report/story-e6frfku9-1226736573878)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 10, 2013, 15:12:30
That's a nuisance and a worry.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: AlanHo on October 10, 2013, 16:28:50
They crucified Peter Slipper and frankly it seems they all have the snouts in the trough.

Do you lot still have the death penalty...?
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 10, 2013, 22:03:12
They crucified Peter Slipper and frankly it seems they all have the snouts in the trough.

Do you lot still have the death penalty...?

Only if your a political pariah. Otherwise shifty behaviour is perfectly OK.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 11, 2013, 10:02:58
Scott Morrison joins the list of LNP wedding guests paid for by us mugs. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-joins-list-of-ministers-to-repay-wedding-expenses-20131011-2vdag.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-joins-list-of-ministers-to-repay-wedding-expenses-20131011-2vdag.html)

So far the good old tax payer has funded......

The Prime Minister  :disapp:
The Foreign Minister  :disapp:
The Attorney General  :disapp:
The Minister for Agriculture  :disapp:
The Minister for Immigration  :disapp:
The Assistant Minister for Defence :disapp:

Fish rot from the head down. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 11, 2013, 14:12:22
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005351_490968747647887_2059945161_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on October 11, 2013, 15:05:49
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005351_490968747647887_2059945161_n.jpg)

Very clever  :goodjob:

Think I first saw that about 6 months ago  :whistler: :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 13, 2013, 22:56:07
Let the games begin.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-elected-labor-leader-20131013-2vh36.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-elected-labor-leader-20131013-2vh36.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 14, 2013, 09:42:20
Looks like there are more women with "what it takes" in the Labor party.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shortens-new-labor-shadow-ministry-20131014-2vi3f.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shortens-new-labor-shadow-ministry-20131014-2vi3f.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 14, 2013, 10:17:35
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 14, 2013, 10:25:55
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(

What makes Bill Shorten faceless?
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: FatBoy on October 14, 2013, 10:31:16
I think that the main "faceless" man was Paul Howes, not Bill Shorten.

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 14, 2013, 10:45:37
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(

What makes Bill Shorten faceless?

Kevin Rudd, a fellow member, apparently.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 14, 2013, 10:57:50
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(

You could be talking about the Libs there, Phil...  :lol:

At least Bill shorten was voted in as Leader by more than one vote....  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 14, 2013, 10:59:05
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(

LNP standards...no penis = no brains. :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 14, 2013, 11:16:45
 :lol: I didn't vote for them either.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on October 14, 2013, 11:37:16
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(

LNP standards...no penis = no brains. :disapp:

So you don't reckon Abbotts swimmers are really budgie smugglers then?  :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 14, 2013, 11:50:07
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(

LNP standards...no penis = no brains. :disapp:

So you don't reckon Abbotts swimmers are really budgie smugglers then?  :snigger:

Tony should wear his budgie smugglers on his head. There's more "dick" up there to fill them up.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on October 14, 2013, 11:50:48
 :rofl: :rofl: :goodjob:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 14, 2013, 11:53:44
Not very stringent standards required for this party, now led by a faceless man. :'(

No faceless men in the Liberal party. :disapp:

Do whatever you like as a Liberal, buy don't speak your mind.  :disapp:

http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/liberal-party-member-john-ruddick-threatened-with-suspension/4997440 (http://abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/liberal-party-member-john-ruddick-threatened-with-suspension/4997440)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 14, 2013, 14:10:03
So, now we have a Labor leader who will have to get his house in order and the show on the road. Lets see what the first term of the new parliament brings whenever that is. That ought to be very interesting.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: AlanHo on October 14, 2013, 15:06:34
I have been trying to follow this thread from the beginning - but have finished up totally confused. I can't work out who is on whose side........... :Dunno:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 14, 2013, 15:12:04
That's ok, the Australian people got totally confused too and mistakenly voted for Abbott....  :whistler:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: AlanHo on October 14, 2013, 15:14:24
That's ok, the Australian people got totally confused too and mistakenly voted for Abbott....  :whistler:  :rofl:

What happened to Costello?
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 14, 2013, 15:25:11
He retired from politics....  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Shambles on October 14, 2013, 16:22:12
Quote from: rustynutz
the Australian people ... mistakenly voted for Abbott....

Quote from: AlanHo
What happened to Costello?

Quote from: rustynutz
He retired from politics....

He might have retired from your politics...
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 14, 2013, 22:48:39
Even in opposition, the Labor Party show they don't have the interests of Australians first & foremost.

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/taxpayers-slugged-200000-to-fly-mps-to-canberra-for-alp-leadership-meetings/story-fncynjr2-1226735036208 (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/taxpayers-slugged-200000-to-fly-mps-to-canberra-for-alp-leadership-meetings/story-fncynjr2-1226735036208)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 15, 2013, 03:04:54
In an earlier discussion I flagged that neither party has the interests of constituents front and center. In discussions, they will always put the interests of the party ahead of the constituency. Always. Absolutely amazes me that they do this. As members of political parties are a fraction of the constituency at large, I'm not sure how they justify that position.

And I'm appalled that electing the leader of the opposition is somehow something that you and I have to pay for. I still reckon outsourcing our parliament is the way to go.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 15, 2013, 03:09:40
Even in opposition, the Labor Party show they don't have the interests of Australians first & foremost.

Phil, the big difference between this expenditure and that revealed lately by the LNP rorters is that this is, as the article states, " an official parliamentary meeting".

” An official parliamentary meeting” is not like going to your mates weddings, riding in cycling races or touring the country promoting a book you have written, now, is it? :disapp:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 15, 2013, 09:23:41
How can it be a official parliamentary meeting when only 1 party is represented and the objective was to elect a party leader. I don't care who the leader is it's none of my business, so I'm not interested in paying thanks.  :sicky:

My comment wasn't meant to counteract the LNP rorts, either. They're just as bad.  :fum:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Aussie Keith on October 15, 2013, 09:38:50
 :whsaid:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 16, 2013, 10:17:23
At least it wasn't a wedding. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/don-randall-dodges-questions-over-expense-claims-for-trip-to-cairns-20131016-2vlx1.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/don-randall-dodges-questions-over-expense-claims-for-trip-to-cairns-20131016-2vlx1.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 16, 2013, 10:55:48
Give him time....  :undecided:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 16, 2013, 22:43:30
Don't hold back, Nicola.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nicola-roxon-launches-scathing-critique-of-bastard-kevin-rudd-20131016-2vmyn.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nicola-roxon-launches-scathing-critique-of-bastard-kevin-rudd-20131016-2vmyn.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 17, 2013, 00:14:07
Ah, another fine example of Labor Party loyalty. :head_butt:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on October 17, 2013, 01:51:50
Don't hold back, Nicola.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nicola-roxon-launches-scathing-critique-of-bastard-kevin-rudd-20131016-2vmyn.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nicola-roxon-launches-scathing-critique-of-bastard-kevin-rudd-20131016-2vmyn.html)

 :snigger: :goodjob2: :goodjob:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 17, 2013, 02:53:13
There's nothing like sour grapes.... :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 17, 2013, 12:30:34
Why isn't Abbott acting on the 'budget emergency'?
By Stephen Koukoulas

Almost two months after a thumping election victory, there is not one hint of any economic policy change from the Abbott Government that will deal with the budget bottom line. Yet until the day before the election, this was painted by the Coalition as an "emergency" or "crisis".

The reason is obvious. The budget is in triple-A shape and in the complete opposite of an emergency.

If there were a budget emergency, Treasurer Joe Hockey and the Government would have acted with the same speed on spending and revenue measures as they have shown over abolishing the carbon price and implementing their boats policy.

Which goes back to the main point.

The six years of Labor Party government through to September 2013 were characterised by pragmatic, prudent and ultimately successful management of the economy. While some of the politics was astray, Australia's economy is in tip-top shape as a result of this record of first class economic management.

The economic runs on the board delivered by Labor include six extra years of unbroken economic and employment growth, a halving of the inflation rate, further solid increases in per capita GDP, and ongoing prosperity. If Tony Abbott can maintain the same record as Labor in his term in government, even without the negative shocks from the global economy, he will have done well.

This strong economic performance between 2007 and 2013 was despite the world economy crashing to its weakest point since the Great Depression of the 1930s, when financial market ructions threatened to completely undermine the functioning of global trade and the world economy.

It was truly extraordinary that Australia, in these circumstances, managed to dodge a recession and at the same time hold the unemployment rate below 6 per cent for whole period where unemployment rate hit double digits in most other advanced economies.

The reasons for this remarkable economic performance are simple: policy pragmatism and foresight. The fiscal stimulus measures, which saw the budget balance move by 6 per cent of GDP, was vital to supporting economic growth.

Builders were employed and retailers stayed afloat as the government pumped temporary, timely and targeted spending into the economy. Aiding the growth-enhancing policies was the easing in monetary policy, which saw the RBA cut the official cash rate by 425 basis points in a few months. This saved mortgage holders and business alike many tens of billions of dollars in interest costs - money that was at least partly directed to spending and investment. The Australian dollar fell by over 30 per cent and traded at 60 US cents, which helped to support many exporters.

Complementing this policy brilliance was some good luck. In the period from 2008 to 2010, the Chinese authorities stimulated their economy which not only saw Chinese GDP growth bounce back to above 10 per cent, but also reversed the commodity price slump and boosted demand for Australia's exports.

After the depths of the crisis had passed, the prudent policy settings from the Labor government continued.

In its budget settings, the Labor government implemented the largest tightening in fiscal policy ever recorded. The budget tightened by 3 per cent of GDP in a couple of years and 2012-13 saw the largest cut in real government spending ever.

This fiscal policy tightening was aimed at replenishing the budget, and there would have been a budget surplus were it not for the post-stimulus slowing in the Chinese economy, and the decline in the terms of trade that hit tax revenue hard over the past couple of years.

It has not been widely reported that over the past two years, the Australian economy confronted a 20-year low for Chinese economic growth. This bad luck (for Australia) obviously dragged the terms of trade lower and the Labor government had to deal with this unfortunate turn of events. In late 2012, it made the prudent decision to let the budget automatic stabilisers to work which of course meant less revenue and a budget deficit, but it kept the economy growing at around a 2.5 per cent pace and as we saw last week, the unemployment rate in September was just 5.6 per cent.

From a perspective of maintaining economic growth, this again highlighted the prudent and pragmatic nature of policy makers interested in sustaining economic growth and job creation.

It is interesting to note that the fiscal tightening allowed the RBA to ease monetary policy over the past two years, with interest rates for mortgages and the business sector falling to the lowest level in around 50 years.

The Labor Government knew that if it delivered tight fiscal settings, it would give room to the RBA to ease monetary policy which in turn would help trim the Australian dollar strength.

The RBA rose to the challenge and the recent fall in the dollar from levels constantly around 105 US cents to levels under 95 US cents has given exporters and firms competing with importers a clear shot in the arm.

At a macroeconomic level, it is difficult to find what the Labor government could have done differently or better. Less fiscal stimulus during the GFC may have seen the economy dive into recession. More stimulus was not needed given the economic outcomes delivered. It was about as right as these things can be in an economy that is now around $1.6 trillion a year.

To be sure, some of the rhetoric from the Labor ministers around the budget was misplaced, such as promises to return to surplus in 2012-13 come hell or high water, but the actual runs of the board and the bottom line policy settings were almost always right.

The fact that Mr Abbott and his team have seen fit to hold fiscal settings exactly as they were under Labor - with no mini-budget and no policy changes to alter the path of government spending or to change the momentum on economic growth - speaks loudly about the economy that Labor managed over their term of office, and draws into question the hysterical electioneering claims of economic incompetency and budget emergency.


Stephen Koukoulas is a Research Fellow at Per Capita, a progressive think tank.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/koukoulas-budget-emergency-fiction/5028770 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/koukoulas-budget-emergency-fiction/5028770)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 17, 2013, 12:37:07
Rusty, stop posting such drivel. The next thing you know, Dave will be back in here seeing who is playing with who's willy. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 17, 2013, 13:08:51
Sorry.... :-[
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 17, 2013, 13:29:40
Maybe this will calm him down?  :undecided:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/call-for-randall-to-resign/5029032 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/call-for-randall-to-resign/5029032)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 17, 2013, 13:31:14
Sorry.... :-[

It's OK, Rusty, just don't do it again. You know how scared the Toryies get when they sick their head into a room and see a whole heap of facts.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 17, 2013, 13:32:34
Too late, she cried!  :P
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 17, 2013, 13:32:48
Maybe this will calm him down?  :undecided:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/call-for-randall-to-resign/5029032 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/call-for-randall-to-resign/5029032)

I doubt it, but it's worth a try. :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 18, 2013, 12:29:29
Sorry, I've been laughing too hard to post.  :rofl:
Budget in great shape.  :rofl: :rofl:
That's why they're having to raise Australia's debt ceiling because the finances were left in such great shape.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 18, 2013, 12:38:11
Have they done it yet?  :undecided:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 18, 2013, 12:42:03
Before Christmas apparently.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 18, 2013, 12:44:22
So the article was right....Abbott & Joe haven't changed a thing then.... :lol:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 18, 2013, 12:46:49
Yes they have.
I'm feeling much better now we're in good hands.
I'm even sleeping more soundly at night time.  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 18, 2013, 12:53:10
If it was in good hands surely the debt should be going down, not up?  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 18, 2013, 12:57:58
It would if we weren't living on borrowed money.  :whistler:
Why does this feel like de ja vu?
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 18, 2013, 13:04:00
But I thought the great Joe could walk on water?

It seems to me he's just kicking back, scratching his balls and wondering what the "F" he needs to do...  :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Dazzler on October 18, 2013, 21:41:51
The share market seems to like the change  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 20, 2013, 00:49:10
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/labor-policy-key-to-reduced-boats-burke/story-e6frfku9-1226743269430?from=public_rss (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/labor-policy-key-to-reduced-boats-burke/story-e6frfku9-1226743269430?from=public_rss)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 22, 2013, 10:07:39
Treasurer Joe Hockey says Coalition will lift debt ceiling to $500bn

THE Federal Government will move to increase the debt ceiling to a surprise $500 billion from its current level of $300 billion.
Treasurer Joe Hockey this afternoon said the current limit would be reached in December if nothing was done and he wanted to avoid a situation like that in the US.

He said the these estimates in the pre-election budget update would reach $370 billion by 2015-16.

It had been speculated the new Coalition Government would have to lift the ceiling by about $100 billion to $400 billion.

http://www.news.com.au/business/treasurer-joe-hockey-says-coalition-will-lift-debt-ceiling-to-500bn/story-e6frfm1i-1226744632833 (http://www.news.com.au/business/treasurer-joe-hockey-says-coalition-will-lift-debt-ceiling-to-500bn/story-e6frfm1i-1226744632833)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 22, 2013, 13:43:50
Labor debt = bad, Liberal debt = good. Get with the program, Rusty. :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 22, 2013, 13:45:32
I knew that...Dave told me so...  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 22, 2013, 13:47:54
I knew that...Dave told me so...  :D

And don't you forget it, Rusty. Dave is a wise and learned man. :blubber:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 22, 2013, 14:10:05
He is?  :Shocked:

Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 22, 2013, 15:55:17
I know this is very difficult stuff Rusty, but why do you think it is necessary to lift Australia's debt ceiling so soon after Liberal took over?
I'll give you a clue.
Labor didn't have to when they took over from Liberal.
They have to deal with the mess somehow.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 22, 2013, 22:25:36
I know this is very difficult stuff Rusty, but why do you think it is necessary to lift Australia's debt ceiling so soon after Liberal took over?

Um, because Joe doesn't have a clue?  :rofl:

I must remember that next time I'm struggling to pay MY debts...I'll just go increase my credit limit...  :whistler:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 23, 2013, 10:11:24
I know this is very difficult stuff Rusty, but why do you think it is necessary to lift Australia's debt ceiling so soon after Liberal took over?

Um, because Joe doesn't have a clue?  :rofl:

I must remember that next time I'm struggling to pay MY debts...I'll just go increase my credit limit...  :whistler:

The difference being that YOU created the debt.
In this case, LABOR created the debt. You know that. :TutTut:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 23, 2013, 11:22:36
In this case, LABOR created the debt. You know that. :TutTut:

Only some of it....but it seems Joe is looking at creating more...  :head_butt:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 23, 2013, 11:40:09
In this case, LABOR created the debt. You know that. :TutTut:

Only some of it....but it seems Joe is looking at creating more...  :head_butt:

No. ALL of it.
If you recall, they had tens of billions "in the bank" when handed the reigns.
They spent that and more.
Joe has to do what Joe has to do to try to manage the incompetence of the previous government.
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 24, 2013, 10:52:11
Australia doesn't need a science Minister, we have Greg "Wikipedia" Hunt. :disapp:

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/wikipedias-verdict-on-greg-hunt-terrible-at-his-job-20131024-2w34y.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/wikipedias-verdict-on-greg-hunt-terrible-at-his-job-20131024-2w34y.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on October 24, 2013, 10:56:50
No bias in this thread. What was Bob "a job"  Carr up to?

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fleeting-visit-costs-the-taxpayer-4200-a-day-20131023-2w1k5.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fleeting-visit-costs-the-taxpayer-4200-a-day-20131023-2w1k5.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 27, 2013, 11:22:43
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pink-batts-inquiry-purely-political-milne/story-e6frfku9-1226747696153 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pink-batts-inquiry-purely-political-milne/story-e6frfku9-1226747696153)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 27, 2013, 11:24:44
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pink-batts-inquiry-purely-political-milne/story-e6frfku9-1226747696153 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pink-batts-inquiry-purely-political-milne/story-e6frfku9-1226747696153)

So say Labor and the Greens.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 27, 2013, 11:34:09
Well, you'd hardly expect the Libs to admit it, Dave... :snigger:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 27, 2013, 11:36:22
Nothing to "admit," Rusty.  ;)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 27, 2013, 11:39:29
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 27, 2013, 11:44:28
 :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 27, 2013, 12:08:05
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-25/cassidy-how-long-can-the-ministerial-sound-of-silence-last/5043988 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-25/cassidy-how-long-can-the-ministerial-sound-of-silence-last/5043988)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 27, 2013, 12:11:48
Yes, they seem to be a lot smarter than the previous government, don't they?
And I'm still sleeping much better at night, thanks.  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 27, 2013, 12:19:29
Make the most of it, mate....The bikies are moving in next door....  :rofl:
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 27, 2013, 23:45:13
Excellent.
That'll give us a greater police presence.  :D
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 28, 2013, 00:57:56
Yes, they seem to be a lot smarter than the previous government, don't they?

Maybe not....  :lol:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-rookie-mistake-wont-help-relations-with-obama-scholar-20131027-2w9r9.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-rookie-mistake-wont-help-relations-with-obama-scholar-20131027-2w9r9.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 28, 2013, 01:10:08
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbott-cant-ride-out-the-expenses-scandal-20131024-2w465.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbott-cant-ride-out-the-expenses-scandal-20131024-2w465.html)

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greg-hunt-uses-wikipedia-research-to-dismiss-links-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20131023-2w1w5.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greg-hunt-uses-wikipedia-research-to-dismiss-links-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20131023-2w1w5.html)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 29, 2013, 10:21:07
Labor's Wright raises workplace law fears
OCTOBER 29, 2013

ALP national secretary George Wright has warned the coalition's plan to change laws in relation to unions is an "entree" to removing some working conditions.
Mr Wright was a key figure behind the Your Rights at Work campaign, which has been credited with helping Labor win the 2007 election and abolish the Howard government's controversial Work Choices laws.
Work is under way on the Abbott government's initial industrial legislation - relating to the restoration of the Australian Building and Construction Commission and bolstering penalties for union officials found guilty of corruption.
Mr Wright told the National Press Club in Canberra on Tuesday the Abbott government would take a different approach to workplace relations to that taken by Mr Howard.
"I suspect what you will see is a concerted effort by the government to really go after the unions first - union organisation and union finances - obviously as an entree to then have a go at members' conditions," he said.
"They will weaken and probably distract the machinery and organisation that protects workers' rights before they actually go after the rights themselves."
He said he had no immediate advice for the labour movement in how to address it.
"That is something that the labour movement as a whole needs to think about how it effectively responds to."
Making changes to the penalty rates system was an issue raised at a national tourism conference in Canberra on Tuesday.
Tourism and Transport Forum chief Ken Morrison was asked during the conference whether the industry wanted the government to reduce penalty rates.
"What was clear talking to the coalition before the election is they were totally gun shy, they didn't really want to talk about it before the election," Mr Morrison said.
"They said: 'If you want this after the election, business is going to have to lead'. So you're seeing a range of business groups doing that now."

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/labors-wright-raises-workplace-law-fears/story-e6frfku9-1226749037989?from=public_rss
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: rustynutz on October 29, 2013, 13:03:03
http://www.news.com.au/national/treasurer-joe-hockey-must-pay-off-national-credit-card-and-invest-in-our-future/story-fncynjr2-1226749259467 (http://www.news.com.au/national/treasurer-joe-hockey-must-pay-off-national-credit-card-and-invest-in-our-future/story-fncynjr2-1226749259467)
Title: Re: Post Australian election
Post by: Shambles on October 29, 2013, 13:18:10
Time to move on.
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