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Doesn't count.
By their own admission they were invaded.  :)
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Doesn't count.
By their own admission they were invaded.  :)

Doesn't count to conservative white folk. :disapp:
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Let's give Abbott a chance to prove himself
September 21, 2013

Here is an olive branch: it would be a good idea to give Tony Abbott some time to prove himself as prime minister.

No, this is not satire. Nor have I gone soft in the head. As I have written, he won the job in an unprincipled campaign of deceit and low cunning. I still believe he is unfit for the office.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-give-abbott-a-chance-to-prove-himself-20130920-2u537.html#ixzz2fVIQwEav



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So, did Howard really stop the boats or did he just do as Abbott is doing now?   :whistler: :snigger:

Operation Sovereign Borders gears up

Lauren Wilson
From: The Australian
September 21, 2013


THE Coalition has shut down the flow of information on the arrival of asylum vessels and the transfer of people offshore under the military-led Operation Sovereign Borders.

Despite seizing on public information to attack the Labor government for every unauthorised vessel intercepted over the last six years, newly sworn-in Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has demanded silence from the agencies in his portfolio.

All requests for information from Customs and Border Protection and the Department of Immigration - on issues ranging from boat arrivals, to detention centre capacity levels, the numbers of detainees on Manus Island and Nauru, or violent incidents in the detention network - are now directed to the mobile telephone of Mr Morrison's press secretary.

Under the Labor government, Customs and Border Protection would release an alert detailing where every asylum-seeker vessel was intercepted and how many passengers were aboard the boat.

But prior to the election Mr Morrison warned under a change of government, it would be up to the three-star general in charge of Operation Sovereign Borders, Angus Campbell, to decide whether information about boat interceptions would be publicly released.

The Weekend Australian yesterday asked whether plans to fast-track the sending of asylum-seekers offshore would compromise health checks and malaria vaccinations.

Mr Morrison's office declined to answer questions, citing "sensitivities" around Sovereign Borders.

Former minister Tony Burke warned there would be serious consequences if the immigration portfolio was allowed to "go back to a culture of secrecy".

"That was exactly the problems identified in the Palmer and Comrie reports back when the Howard government locked up Cornelia Rau and deported Vivian Alvarez," Mr Burke said.

"Any government that has the courage of its convictions lets the Australian public know what's happening."

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This is the act of a devious government. The same thing will happen with the closing down of the Climate Commission which provided the Australian public with credible information on climate change issues, including the effects of the carbon tax.

Tony's method is to keep us in the dark and feed us bulltish. Nothing to see here folks, move along. :disapp:

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Let's give Abbott a chance to prove himself
September 21, 2013

Here is an olive branch: it would be a good idea to give Tony Abbott some time to prove himself as prime minister.

No, this is not satire. Nor have I gone soft in the head. As I have written, he won the job in an unprincipled campaign of deceit and low cunning. I still believe he is unfit for the office.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-give-abbott-a-chance-to-prove-himself-20130920-2u537.html#ixzz2fVIQwEav

So says Mike Carlton.  :wtf:
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This is the act of a devious government.

So it was obviously the act of a devious government (the Labor government) when Gillard silenced the media and banned them from printing photos of boats arriving and newly arrived asylum seekers due to the "national interest."

Can't have it both ways.  ;)
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Doesn't count.
By their own admission they were invaded.  :)

Doesn't count to conservative white folk. :disapp:

It doesn't count. Full stop.
Over two hundreds years ago they were invaded and their country taken over. Isn't that a fact?  :undecided:
Lucky for them it was us and not one of a few other countries I can think of whereby things would have turned out much differently than they did.
I am all for everyone being equal, being treated the same and having the same opportunities.
But as I said, the indigenous call it "Invasion Day" so by their own admission they were invaded. And not by asylum seekers.
The British, the Spanish, the French et al have a history of invading other countries after which they claim it as theirs. It has happened all through history, no different here.
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Be fair Dave, I think I might have won a couple too.. let's be entirely accurate here :D
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Be fair Dave, I think I might have won a couple too.. let's be entirely accurate here :D

Oh, OK then.  :lol:
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Its OK, Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island will keep us informed.

http://www.2gb.com/gallery/photos-christmas-island#.Uj2ASj8XHPo

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Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:
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Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:

There's been no validation of them at all. Only that Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island sent them. I have doubts about "Shaz" to be honest which I mentioned at the time.  I'm pretty sure the whole border control thing will end up being a media control exercise to be honest. Lets see what happens next, its early days yet.

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Oh dear, the comments following that article are are scathing. Commentators are suggesting the government is hiding the truth for its own convenience. Unbelievable!! Lets see what week 3 brings.
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I still can't believe we're going down that road...  :head_butt:

Welcome to the Abbott Age..... :confused:



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An interesting development.

http://brisbanetimes.com.au/business/entire-nbn-board-resigns-20130922-2u835.html

lol, McKenna is a professional company director - she doesn't have to know about the telecommunications industry - and yet she does. For Turnbull of all people to question her credentials is disingenuous and a hypocrisy. Ziggy is an interesting choice but he is no Bob the builder.

This is the board:

http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/our-people/board.html


Siobhan McKenna – Chairman (Non Executive Director, Chair of the Nominations Committee effective 21 March 2013 and former Chair of the Communications Committee which was dissolved effective 24 April 2013)

Ms. McKenna was appointed Chairman of NBN Co on 15 March 2013 and as a Director on 5 August 2009. Ms McKenna has extensive experience in the media and telecommunications industries.

She is Managing Partner and a Director of the private media investment company Illyria Pty Ltd, a director of DMG Radio Australia and a Non-executive Director of Ten Network Holdings. Ms McKenna was a Non-executive Director of Prime Media Group, an ASX-listed regional television and radio company, from 2009-2012. Before joining Illyria, Ms McKenna was a partner at international management consulting firm McKinsey & Company where she specialised in advising telecommunications and media companies.

Ms McKenna is currently on a leave of absence from her role as Commissioner at the Productivity Commission, has been a director of The Australian Ballet since May 2010 and was an Advisory Board Member of the Bureau of Meteorology. Ms McKenna’s current term will expire on 4 August 2015.

Image of Terry FrancisMr Terrence (Terry) Francis (Non Executive Director, Chair of the Contracts (formerly Implementation) Committee to 4 August 2012 and Chair of the Audit Committee effective from 5 August 2012)

Mr Francis was appointed as a director on 22 December 2009 and was reappointed as a director effective 22 December 2012.

Mr Francis commenced his career in infrastructure and mine design and project management. This was followed by over twenty years in corporate finance including as Senior Vice President and CEO of Bank of America in Australia, Executive Director of Deutsche Bank Australia and Vice President of Continental Illinois National Bank.

Over the past ten years Mr Francis has worked as a non executive director and as an advisor to government and business, especially in project financing and delivery. He is currently a Board member of ANZ Specialist Asset Management Limited and Boom Logistics Limited and, is a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors, the Institution of Engineers Australia and the Financial Services Institute of Australasia. Mr Francis’ current term will expire on 21 December 2015.

Image of Alison LansleyMs Alison Lansley
(Non Executive Director)

Ms Lansley was appointed as a director on 7 December 2012.

Ms Lansley was a partner in the Mergers and Acquisitions practice of Mallesons Stephen Jaques for over 16 years. She is a non-executive director of Schools Connect Australia and heads the Victorian Regional Council of Redkite.

She has previously served on a number of boards and authorities, including the Melbourne 2006 Commonwealth Games Corporation, the Takeovers Panel, the Financial Services Institute of Australasia and the national listing committee of the Australian Stock Exchange. Ms Lansley’s current term will expire on 6 December 2015.

Mr Brad Orgill
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Mr Orgill was appointed as a director on 5 August 2012. Mr Orgill worked for the UBS group and its global investment bank for 22 years. He retired in 2008 as Chairman of UBS Australia having previously been CEO and/or UBS Country Head in each of Australia, Hong Kong, China and Singapore.

From 1998-2005 he concurrently was Head of the Asia and then Asia/Japan/Australia Equities business, UBS’s largest in Asia Pacific and from 2006-8 he was a member of the UBS Group Managing Board.

Post retirement, Mr Orgill has completed a Masters degree in Environmental Science & Law, travelled extensively, been involved in philanthropic and think tank activities and chaired a task force (2010-11) to examine the $16 billion Building the Education Revolution GFC stimulus program. He currently represents the Commonwealth on the Queensland Reconstruction Authority Board and is a member of the Regional Development Australia Fund advisory panel.

Mr Orgill is a past member of the BCA and past Board member of AFMA.  Mr Orgill’s current term will expire on 4 August 2015.


Mr Michael (Mike) Quigley
Chief Executive Officer (Executive Director)

Mr Quigley was appointed as the interim chairman and a director of NBN Co on 24 July 2009 after a 36-year career at the French telecommunications company Alcatel.

Mr Quigley’s term as a director and the interim chairman of NBN Co concluded with the appointment of Mr Harrison Young as chairman on 15 March 2010 at which time Mr Quigley was reappointed as a director. Mr Quigley was again reappointed as a director effective from 15 March 2013 and his current term will expire on 14 March 2016.

Mr Quigley was appointed as Chief Executive Officer of NBN Co on 20 July 2009.  After starting his career in research and development, Mr Quigley took on progressively more senior positions in Alcatel culminating in his appointment as Alcatel’s President and Chief Operating Officer in 2005. Mr Quigley is also a Director of Neuroscience Research Australia and an Honorary Professorial Fellow of the University of Wollongong.


Dr Kerry Schott
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Dr Schott was appointed as a Director on 28 September 2012. She is the Project Director of the proposed sale of the New South Wales government owned electricity generating plants.

Dr Schott completed her role as CEO of the Commission of Audit for the NSW Government in early 2012, was Managing Director and CEO of Sydney Water from 2006 to 2011 and before that was Deputy Secretary, NSW Treasury.

She spent 15 years as an investment banker, including as Managing Director of Deutsche Bank and Executive Vice President of Bankers Trust Australia. During this time she specialised in privatisation, restructuring, and infrastructure provision. Early in her career she worked as an economic policy adviser with the Reserve Bank of Australia, the Commonwealth Government and as an academic at University College London and at Oxford University.

She is Chairman of Moorebank Intermodal Company, a member of the TCorp Board in NSW and a member of the Infrastructure Australia Board, a Patron and Board member of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia and, a member of the Whitlam Institute Board. Dr Schott’s current term will expire on 27 September 2015.


Mr Richard (Rick) Turchini (Non Executive Director and Chair of the Contracts (formerly Implementation) Committee effective from 5 August 2012)

Mr Turchini was appointed as a director on 14 September 2011.  Mr Turchini is a civil engineer who has more than 40 years experience in the construction industry.

He retired from the construction firm Leighton Contractors in 2003, leaving his position as a Company Director and General Manager for New South Wales and the ACT.

From mid 2005 until the end of 2010 Mr Turchini was Managing Director of Baulderstone, a construction company with more than 1,300 employees.  Mr Turchini served on the Board of Directors for Hastie Group from 1 January 2012 to 2 May 2012 and was an Honorary Board Member of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia. Mr Turchini’s current term will expire on 13 September 2014.

Maybe this article will shed some light on Turnbull's position: http://www.brw.com.au/p/leadership/nbn_chair_siobhan_mckenna_force_wwxFxBx0eoxMI1ho962ZJO

It appears Turnbull's view may be that the NBN as a government instrument should not be run in the manner of a public company. Or maybe, her focus on getting the job done is at odds with the government's view that we should have a second rate service. Politics eh...
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I still can't believe we're going down that road...  :head_butt:

Welcome to the Abbott Age..... :confused:

Oh dear.
And it was all going so well.

"Mr Turnbull has blamed the board and executive team for the massive cost blowouts, timetable delays and for contractors losing money."

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Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:

There's been no validation of them at all. Only that Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island sent them. I have doubts about "Shaz" to be honest which I mentioned at the time.  I'm pretty sure the whole border control thing will end up being a media control exercise to be honest. Lets see what happens next, its early days yet.

So the answer's no then.
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Oh looky here, a boat has arrived, why hasn't it been turned back?  :whistler:

Abbot fail.....  :lol:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-22/government-to-hold-weekly-asylum-seeker-briefings-says-morrison/4973512

You're hilarious.  :lol:
Following only four asylum seekers being in detention when Liberal handed over to Labor in 2007, we've had tens of thousands of people arrive on thousands of boats (we've all lost count) under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd policies and you say nothing.  :wtf:
ONE boat arrives since the Liberals take over and you make a comment like that.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Your bias is showing, Mr Rustynutz.
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But, but Abbott told us fifty million times in the run up to the Election that he'd turn back the boats... Clearly that hasn't happened...  :lol:

What Rudd & Gillard did or did not do has no relevance to that, Dave....  :rolleyes:


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Posted those before.
Have they been disproved yet?  :undecided:

There's been no validation of them at all. Only that Ozzie Legend "Shaz" of Christmas Island sent them. I have doubts about "Shaz" to be honest which I mentioned at the time.  I'm pretty sure the whole border control thing will end up being a media control exercise to be honest. Lets see what happens next, its early days yet.

So the answer's no then.

Nor have they been validated AND I strongly doubt the information is real. I'm referring to the information that allegedly showed us illegal immigrants with personal body guards supplied to the likes of disreputable media outlets like 2UE via Mike Smith. If reputable news agencies won't use it  - and they did not - then you can be almost certain its fake. There was never any information that told us what was really going on from anyone, only a few pictures from an unconfirmed source ("Shaz" of Christmas Island) allowing those with active imaginations to draw their own conclusions which they certainly did.

I would have thought you understood the difference between an allegation and evidence.   :whistler:
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I do.
I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one.  :whistler:
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But, but Abbott told us fifty million times in the run up to the Election that he'd turn back the boats... Clearly that hasn't happened...  :lol:

What Rudd & Gillard did or did not do has no relevance to that, Dave....  :rolleyes:

It has all the relevance in the world.  :rolleyes:
You are expecting Abbott to fix in one week what Rudd/Gillard/Rudd failed to do in six years, after they were the ones who changed the policy that worked in the first place.
Of course it's relevant.
Unless of course you just want to bash Liberal for the sake of bashing Liberal.
But that wouldn't be the case now, would it?  :whistler:
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Just pointing out Abbott's failing as diligently as you've pointed out Rudd's & Gillards failings, Dave...

Fair's fair.... :goodjob:

 


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6 years v 1 week is not fair and I think you know that.
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.
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Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.

Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?  :lol:


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6 years v 1 week is not fair and I think you know that.
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.
Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.
Quite right, too.
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