The Original i30 Owners Club
GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => GENERAL => Topic started by: copycats on January 16, 2011, 01:57:27
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Hi all, Am I missing something before I take it to the dealer.
Problem is the brake lights have stopped working. Replaced the bulbs checked the fuse.Still no brake lights.
The high line brake light still works, the tail lights still work, but no brake light on ether side. :confused:
Its the estate/wagon model that has 2 stop and tail lights either side.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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welcome aboard mate. :razz: it could be the brake light switch. :idea:
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Welcome copycats..
What country are you in out of interest? UK by the sound of it :winker:
Have you had the car long and did you buy it brand new? As far as the lights go it sounds like Steve has nailed the problem which will be a warranty fix :goodjob:
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If the high line light is working it would appear that the brake light switch is OK. Could be a poor earth connection to the rear brake lights. Whatever - get it fixed under warranty.
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dead rite Alan :goodjob: i missread the higher brake light bit. :-[ it cant be the switch. :-\
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Thanks for the quick replies and the welcome.
Personaly I think it needs a ECU reset, didn't think it could be a switch or fuse because the highline was still working,didn't think it was the bulbs either but changed them anyway for elimination purposes.Car is only 8 months old and yes Sherlock I do live in the UK, what was the give away?
Dealer is not that handy , but looks like its going to have to go in.
On a side note it was through you guys on this forum that I idecided to purchase an i30 :goodjob:
I use it as a Taxi and overall fairly happy.Im going to post on the "what you dont like about the i30" thread
where I wll describe 3 trivial dislikes that annoy the hell out of me on a daily basis.
Thanks again
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you mentioned it was an estate first,then a wagon. :idea: :razz:
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Personaly I think it needs a ECU reset...
There's a device behind the dash called the BCM (Body Control Module) that controls the lights (and other things). Not sure how that would get reset, other than by the dealership.
Might be tempted to disconnect the battery for half an hour to see if that helps. After reconnecting it of course :P
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you mentioned it was an estate first,then a wagon. :idea: :razz:
Yep that was the give away and the fact that recent Euro built cars seem to have more faults than the Korean Built ones :cool:
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I've noticed the same thing dazz. :confused:
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you mentioned it was an estate first,then a wagon. :idea: :razz:
You know I went over the post again and again looking for the give away.
Seems the car's a bit like me.
Lights are on but dont work to good :lol:
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Personaly I think it needs a ECU reset...
There's a device behind the dash called the BCM (Body Control Module) that controls the lights (and other things). Not sure how that would get reset, other than by the dealership.
Might be tempted to disconnect the battery for half an hour to see if that helps. After reconnecting it of course :P
Thanks. Done a quick disconnection when I noticed the problem , no joy.. Seconds rather than minutes though
Does a longer disconnection time make a difference do you think?
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try half an hour, to an hour.
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Does a longer disconnection time make a difference do you think?
As with a lot of electronics in modern cars there will be electrolytic capacitors in the circuit - they act to smooth out spikes [amongst other purposes] but have the added feature of retaining a small charge; you do need to leave it a while. Someone on the forum also suggested depressing the brake pedal to ensure a full discharge, but seeing as your brake lights ain't even coughing that probably won't make a difference ;)
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Alan's probably closest. It's got to be something common to the two rear lights so I'd go for the active wire that goes to the lower brake lights. Perhaps a loose connector. It could be an earth as Alan suggested but then again I'd expect that to be common to the tail lights also.
Dealer will fix it... let's know what he says it is.
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Right here is my 2 pennyworth, more like a quid :rolleyes:
As it is both rear side and not the high one then I would expect it to do with the wire contact.
If you have a tester remove one of the bulbs and see if current is present when the brake pedal is pressed. If not try the other.
If current present then it may be a problem with the holder or even the bulb contact points.
Also, try and trace the wire from 1 unit to other and see whether it has been knocked and not making contact.
Did this happen after you used the boot and may be knocked some componets?
PS as you use it for taxi service do you get spot checked by the Council?
If so, get it sorted ASAP before you are pulled off the road.
Also, is this a mandatory fine/points by our boys in blue for not having brake lights?
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try half an hour, to an hour.
Disconnected for over a hour this time.No Joy
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Do your reversing lights work? They share a common ground with the brake lights.
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Right here is my 2 pennyworth, more like a quid :rolleyes:
As it is both rear side and not the high one then I would expect it to do with the wire contact.
If you have a tester remove one of the bulbs and see if current is present when the brake pedal is pressed. If not try the other.
If current present then it may be a problem with the holder or even the bulb contact points.
Also, try and trace the wire from 1 unit to other and see whether it has been knocked and not making contact.
Did this happen after you used the boot and may be knocked some componets?
PS as you use it for taxi service do you get spot checked by the Council?
If so, get it sorted ASAP before you are pulled off the road.
Also, is this a mandatory fine/points by our boys in blue for not having brake lights?
Your right regarding council and police never mind the safety issue.Dont have a tester so it's a call to the dealer in the morning.Thanks everyone and I'll post the outcome
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Do your reversing lights work? They share a common ground with the brake lights.
The reverse do work.Realy doing my head in .Calling the dealer in the morn.
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Not suprised it's a good one.
I dont want you to feel insulted at this next question! But are you really sure you replaced the brake light bulbs - they possibly aren't where you think they are in the cluster. You know they are double element 21/5W? (If my memory servers correctly).
My recollection is that it would be really easy to replace the rear fog light bulbs (single element 21W) thinking you had done the brake lights.....
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Not suprised it's a good one.
I dint want you to feel insulted at this next question! But are you really sure you replaced the brake light bulbs - they possibly aren't where you think they are in the cluster. You know they are double element 21/5W? (If my memory servers correctly).
My recollection is that it would be really easy to replace the rear fog light bulbs (single element 21W) thinking you had done the brake lights.....
Not insulted in the slightest, glad that people take the time for suggestions. :goodjob:
The bulbs were replaced 1 at a time with like for like,know the guy in the motor factor quite well, while we were doing it both of us thought there was more to this than bulbs.Just like checking the fuse why would the highline still work.Had to be done though just for peace of mind and elimination purposes.Yes they were double element and worked perfectly in his tester.So did the ones i took out.
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Do you know how long this has been like this?
Just try to eliminate actions which may have contributed to the non functioning
!!!From day 1!
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Do you know how long this has been like this?
Just try to eliminate actions which may have contributed to the non functioning
!!!From day 1!
Very recent, Coulegue informed me friday evening what was happening with the brake lights.Went to factor saturday and changed bulbs.Disconneced the battery then as well(be it just for a short perios).Disconnected the battery today for over hour.Nothing i know of recently i could point to as being a contributing factor.meter, radio ,were all done a while ago and have had taxi test and spot checks since then.Im sure someone else would also have noticed if it had happend a while ago.
Thanks
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If you turn the headlights on do the 5w fillaments in the brake bulbs come on?
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If you turn the headlights on do the 5w fillaments in the brake bulbs come on?
Sorry about the ignorance on my part but if that means do the tail light part of the bulbs still work then yes they do
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Ok, so it's not going to be a ground/earthing fault.
I think everything would point to a wiring fault in proximity to where the wires run through the grommet in the top of the tailgate. But as Hyundai don't seem to want me reading their wiring diagrams that's as good a guess as I can have :evil:
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Ok, so it's not going to be a ground/earthing fault.
I think everything would point to a wiring fault in proximity to where the wires run through the grommet in the top of the tailgate. But as Hyundai don't seem to want me reading their wiring diagrams that's as good a guess as I can have :evil:
Cheers
I'm going to phone the dealers in the morning.Will let you know how i get on.I don't expect them to rush this though.My experience with main dealers is if you didn't buy the car from them personally,back of the queue you go.Its even worse when they find out it was bought from a taxi dealership that can sell Hyundai's a fair bit cheaper than themselves.
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Dealers are a bit luck-of-the draw, but as far as warranty work is concerned that will no doubt treat you like anyone else (heh). Hyundai pay them for the work, so it's all revenue for the dealer.
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Dealers are a bit luck-of-the draw, but as far as warranty work is concerned that will no doubt treat you like anyone else (heh). Hyundai pay them for the work, so it's all revenue for the dealer.
I'll tell you a wee story regarding this, which changed my mind forever regarding warranty work and them getting paid for it anyway.
When Skoda first introduced the octavia to the market they were getting snapped up as soon as they became avalable .2 reasons, the price and the unlimited milage warranty, yes even if you did taxi it.Quite clever by Skoda realy, as it became one of the most seen cars on the road as taxi drivers everywhere had one.Enabled them to get rid of the almost laughable reputation they once had.
The first batch of sdi's blew a seal on the gearbox after about 120 k miles .Co incidently me and a mates went on the same day ,incredible but true.His was purchased from the dealer mine wasn't. Guess who got his replaced and was back working within 24 hrs , guess who had to wait a week as a new box was "trying to be sourced"
Still wont talk ill of the good old octavia though.They sorted the gearbox problem and to this day they still produce a car that in my eyes is bullet proof mechanically.
Why did I jump ship? Price of them has rocketed,warranty has all but diminished.Getting a wee bit older now and looking for a bit more comfort
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Dealers are a bit luck-of-the draw, but as far as warranty work is concerned that will no doubt treat you like anyone else (heh). Hyundai pay them for the work, so it's all revenue for the dealer.
Phoned Hyundai first thing ,described the problem and the seriousness of it.Went through the usual details spiel, your cars on the system but not one of "ours". Where did you purchase BLAH BLAH BLAH.Thursday morning is the earliest we can fit you in.Again after reiterating the seriousness of the problem and that my livelyhood depends on the car, bring it in tomorrow and we'll see if someone can have a look.
Fair enough
Here's hoping as its costly for me to be off the road to long
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Good luck copycats (hope it gets sorted quickly) :cool:
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Good luck copycats (hope it gets sorted quickly) :cool:
Thanks Dazzler
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Ok guys , car now back on the road with brake lights working.Credit where due, Thanks Hyundai for quickly getting this job done quickly even though you were busy and had no appointments till later on in the week
:goodjob: :goodjob:
Simple ecu reset they told me was all they done after eliminating the obvious .
While im delighted to be back on the road and impressed with Hyundai so far , doesn't this leave us with a couple of questions
1. Does this prove that disconnecting the battery for over an hour, does not reset the ECU
2. What the heck happened to make the brake lights go in the first place.
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BUT,how did they reset the ecu? :-\
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BUT,how did they reset the ecu? :-\
As noted, if controller related it would be the Body Control Module (BCM) and not the Engine Control Unit (ECU). Same question though... how is it reset if not by forcing a Power On Reset (POR) by disconnecting/reconnecting the power (battery)?
It's also interesting that there must be separate "outputs" for the two brake light circuits, centre and side.
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Dealers are a bit luck-of-the draw, but as far as warranty work is concerned that will no doubt treat you like anyone else (heh). Hyundai pay them for the work, so it's all revenue for the dealer.
I'll tell you a wee story regarding this, which changed my mind forever regarding warranty work and them getting paid for it anyway.
When Skoda first introduced the octavia to the market they were getting snapped up as soon as they became avalable .2 reasons, the price and the unlimited milage warranty, yes even if you did taxi it.Quite clever by Skoda realy, as it became one of the most seen cars on the road as taxi drivers everywhere had one.Enabled them to get rid of the almost laughable reputation they once had.
The first batch of sdi's blew a seal on the gearbox after about 120 k miles .Co incidently me and a mates went on the same day ,incredible but true.His was purchased from the dealer mine wasn't. Guess who got his replaced and was back working within 24 hrs , guess who had to wait a week as a new box was "trying to be sourced"
Still wont talk ill of the good old octavia though.They sorted the gearbox problem and to this day they still produce a car that in my eyes is bullet proof mechanically.
Why did I jump ship? Price of them has rocketed,warranty has all but diminished.Getting a wee bit older now and looking for a bit more comfort
did you know the skoda Octavia running gear is the same as a vw jeta. :offtopic: :whistler: