[Sarc2005]

Having recurrent issues with EPS OFF showing in panel that would usually be remedied by disengaging the ignition.  Noticed after replacing drive & tensioner belts?  Starting engine will show for about 2 seconds then disappear however in most trips it will engage again and then disappear when engine disengaged.

2009 i30 CRDI auto with 234xxx on the clock - assuming first owner basically thrashed n trashed the poor thing.....haven't had any other mechanical/electrical issues.  Any advice/tips would be great please/thank you

[Phil №❶]

EPS may be a recall item. Call your Hy service centre and provide your vin no to check.

Regarding other tips, Keep your engine oils and filter changed at recommended intervals and ONLY use synthetic DB4 type oil, either 0-40 ro 5-40 grades. Don't use mineral oils.

At that distance, an EGR valve clean would be a good idea, too.

Trans oil should be replaced at recommended intervals, too.

[Dazzler]

  Sarc2005

Do you mean EPS or TCS? If power steering is playing up you would feel it in the steering.

If it's the TCS or ECS (can't remember what they call it) might be caused by a tyre well down or some other minor issue.

You could try a reset by disconnecting the -tive terminal of the battery for a minimum of 30 minutes. 

[Phil №❶]

What's TCS 

[Dazzler]

What's TCS 

Traction Control System  (I think it's more commonly known as Electronic Stability control)

[Phil №❶]

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[ibrokeit]

I think Dazzler was trying to say - 'EPS (Electronic Power Steering) or ESP (Electronic Stability Program) (aka Traction Control System)'.

If the EPS (steering) light is coming on - it will probably be felt in the steering as well... and that might not be good... though there is: Hyundai i30 SX 2009 (Australia) power steering failure where 10months and 13K km later still no issue

If it is the ESP (stability) light coming on - esp. if the battery was disconnected for headunit then (per intro post) - then Random ESP OFF lights on might help, but our Hyundai tech does note it is probably a reset, not a recalibrate and I wonder if the rim change would have had any effect on ESP - haven't heard of it before.

I posted some info in your intro topic, and you noted you asked here, I will add one thing to the links I posted there... in one of those topics I did advise someone claiming to have EPS issues (but didn't describe what they were) who was out of warranty to try contacting Hyundai iCare due to the fact there is a recall on EPS (albeit officially for limited VIN range) - have not heard anything back in regards to that advice.   However if it is EPS (in most cases you will be feeling a very definite change in steering) I would advise similar action: Hyundai i30, Elantra recalled for power-steering fix

How does your car handle when the EPS light comes on?

[Dazzler]

Yep, that's what I said..  Thanks Gareth. 

[CraigB]

Noticed after replacing drive & tensioner belts?

I'd first be checking that the correct size belts have been fitted, if the belts are a bit to big you might be getting some slip which will set off the ESP sensors.

[Sarc2005]

that was the initial problem - "mechanic" decided in his wisdom to fit smaller belt which in turn snapped - had also replaced alternator - both jobs requiring battery disconnection - I've since realized that it's not EPS but ESP (when all else fails take photo when ignition on) - I've read all sorts on here from people experiencing similar issues and it varies between tyre pressure, brake sensor, steering sensor etc.

Got hubby to take it around the block - no issues - yet I can pretty much back it in I will get it come on again either driving to work, school run and home again (approx. 30 km round trip with 4 start/stops in total) - very rarely will I now not have the ESP OFF warning engage during at least one round trip (whether it be 5km or 50km one way).

Apologies for any confusion

[Sarc2005]

having read through the recall notification and checking door plates both month of manufacture (02/09) and VIN neither are covered....I have noticed it does tend to occur after turning???  Then again I am female so who knows?  Love my car but hate the bs constant issues....first tensioner belt, then alternator, then tensioner/drive belts as the "mechanic" put wrong sized belts on to begin with, which of course snapped and caused the " oh it's this or that" scenario....

[CraigB]

So with that extra info I'm now thinking possibly the snapped belt has ripped off a sensor cable somewhere or the alignment could be out as mentioned in the other topic.

[Sarc2005]

Couldn't help but wonder the same thing as it was only after the snapped belt scenario that I first noticed the "intermittent" issue but then again I've said the same thing to hubby countless times - so after months of on again off again and sheer frustration on my part, I decided to look through the forums - apologies again for any confusion with EPS/ESP error on my part.

[ibrokeit]

So with that extra info I'm now thinking possibly the snapped belt has ripped off a sensor cable somewhere or the alignment could be out as mentioned in the other topic.

Couldn't help but wonder the same thing as it was only after the snapped belt scenario that I first noticed the "intermittent" issue but then again I've said the same thing to hubby countless times - so after months of on again off again and sheer frustration on my part, I decided to look through the forums - apologies again for any confusion with EPS/ESP error on my part.

Hmmm.. I think CraigB might be on to something there regards belt... could be cable now having intermittent non-contact or it knocked a sensor and broke part of it's mounting (so it is still in place but sometimes moves), and though cause disappears the failure mode isn't reset until ignition off.  Or the belt moved a sensor slightly - alignment.

I would suggest getting a Hyundai Service Centre to do the 240k km iCare service the reason being it includes: Carry out complete global diagnostic system (GDS) check; Check vehicle for outstanding recalls or service campaigns.   My car went in for diagnosis of a completely different issue - and the EPS (steering) recall check & ECU update was done as well (my car is outside the VIN range - though in warranty currently).   So I have a suspicion that while there is the govt. published recall, that there is also a service campaign (or internal recall - first being handled by service checks) as it was on the job sheet as an item to be done.  If done - the check & ECU update could clear the ESP (stability) problem as a side effect.  Of course you should also mention the ESP issue in any case and have them check into it.

I would suggest the $360 'iCare Essential Plus' service (due to distance you are past 'Factory Schedule'), over the $310 'iCare Essential' - it seems they do a number more checks, including 'Inspect EGR condition & operation' (per Phil's suggestion), and additional actions (e.g. lubing door/bonnet/boot catches/hinges and rotating tyres).  However I would suggest a) getting a service quote from the SC for it first¹ and b) have them list what they found needed replacing that isn't covered in the service cost - and/or have them ask you what to replace (replacing an intake air filter is a lot quicker/easier for you to do than replacing say the spark-plus).  As your car is out of warranty the need to use OEM parts to keep that valid is gone.  And OEM parts and consumables through Hyundai SCs tend to be quite a bit more expensive compared to OEM parts via. reputable ebay vendors and/or non-OEM replacement parts via. places like SuperCheap (e.g. Tyco cabin air filters are ~$24 at SuperCheap; OEM via a SC is something like ~$70) or eBay.   However replacing an intake air filter is a lot quicker/easier than replacing say the spark-plus.

Of course, depending on previous service history (or lack of), they may recommend additional things to be done/checked as part of the service.   It seems most of the iCare services appear to be checks, engine oil/filter replacement, and inspect/'replace as required by factory service intervals' item blah (in which the item and replacement of it are additional cost).   In any event you seem to have already covered one of the more costly aspects - belt replacement - which seems to be required after x number of services.   You can see the iCare (and Factory schedule) services here Get a Service Quote - Hyundai Australia (you can enter your i30 details there and it will give you info on what they recommend service wise).


¹ There seems to be a copy/paste error in 'Plus' services shown on Get a Service Quote - Hyundai Australia... it first notes (like the non-Plus service does) 'Inspect air cleaner element' (with the mark indicating if replacement needed it is an additional cost) - then later it notes 'Replace air cleaner element' (without mark) - I am assuming the 'insepct' line is a copy/past error and the air cleaner cost is included (and covered) by the extra cost for the 'Plus' service.   But, of course, that is only an assumption.

[Dazzler]

I think Beerman might be onto something in the welcome thread. I wonder if the brake light switch has been replaced under warranty as that can cause intermittent ESP light issue! Would be a nice simple (free) fix if that is the case. 

[ibrokeit]

Warranty is gone - though I am not sure that matters in the case of the brake-light switch recall (and/or the steering - if they are actually doing such internally & I just don't have an over achieving SC).

But you're right could be that too (and free).

Sarc2005 probably could find out by contacting iCare, or local service center, and asking if brake-light switch replacement has been done - probably will need the VIN (and they may want to update their records if they still have old owner listed).

[beerman]

Recall work is free dosent matter about warranty.

I first noticed my light came on for no reason. I later checked my brake lights using the reflection of a window and noticed that they came on a fraction late.

[Surferdude]

Recall work is free dosent matter about warranty.

I first noticed my light came on for no reason. I later checked my brake lights using the reflection of a window and noticed that they came on a fraction late.

Mine did that, too.
Then eventually they stopped working at all when the warning light came on.

[cruiserfied]

I should have read this thread before posting in Surferdudes one. Im sure you'll find it.
Long story short, get it in for a diagnostic check at least, and find a new "mechanic"

[ibrokeit]

FYI Sarc2005... cruiserfied happens to work on a certain make of vehicle and is an award winning fellow (seriously).

[Doggie 1]

Yep.
Holdens.
And his award winning meat pies are really good.   

[cruiserfied]

2nd best pies In Australia

[ibrokeit]

Yep.
Holdens.
And his award winning meat pies are really good.   

2nd best pies In Australia

 

[The Gonz]

Now all we need is football and kangaroos!

[Sarc2005]

UPDATE -


Firstly I want to say thanks for all the advice/assistance 

Second - After driving the car for a whole 3 days with zero ESP OFF warnings - it's come back 2 out of 3 trips within 24 hours - in sheer frustration (fishwife mode) rang husband and complained - thankfully I had kept the last rego. receipt because after ringing Hyundai North Lakes (QLD) we were able to ascertain via VIN check that the beast was eligible for the recall replacement of the brake switch which had not been done.....

Mr. Mechanically-OCD (hubby) has outdone himself on this occasion - first car he's bought me w/out service history/logbooks....

[cruiserfied]

 

[ibrokeit]

Wow!  Cool!   Hope that fixes the issue - very likely.

The must not be all that many i30 out there now that haven't had the replacement done.

So I take it you, or actually your i30, has a date with the service center in the near future.

 

[cruiserfied]

The must not be all that many i30 out there now that haven't had the replacement done.

Hope not, at the height of the campain I was doing 8-10 a day (all affected models) for a few weeks. Damn my back hurt that month.

[ibrokeit]

The must not be all that many i30 out there now that haven't had the replacement done.

Hope not, at the height of the campain I was doing 8-10 a day (all affected models) for a few weeks. Damn my back hurt that month.

I bet it did.

[ibrokeit]

Just made an edit to my long post above - apparently my VIN is in the range... apparently only some of the 'digits' in the VIN matter.