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Biodiesel in the i30

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Offline Jonesy

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Has anybody used Biodiesel in the i30?  I am about to get one and would like to know. 


Offline 2i30s

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I'm fairly sure you cant put bio diesel in an i30 :rolleyes:
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Offline eye30

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I think Tesco's (UK) diesel has this in at something like 5%, which again I think is acceptable by HY UK.

But don't quote me!!!!!
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I think Tesco's (UK) diesel has this in at something like 5%, which again I think is acceptable by HY UK.

But don't quote me!!!!!

5% RME in all the diesel sold in Sweden too...
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Offline Goldfish_8

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From the owners handbook. Biodiesel blends of no more than 5% biodiesel may be used as long as it meets EN14214 specifications.

The use of biofuels made from RME, FAME or VME, or the mixing of diesel with biodiesel may cause increased wear or damage to the fuel system, and parts damaged through use of non-approved fuels will not be covered by the warranty.

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Has anybody used Biodiesel in the i30?  I am about to get one and would like to know. 

High Jonesy, i would just stick to the big oil company's.
but it will be your car so up to you, i have seen one person post once that they have ran the i30 on bio diesel for a while but that was about one year back when the i30 CRDi was still reitively new, there are bio diesel forums that you could ask. just Hy do not seem to like you useing it. i think it's safer to use in older style diesels, these Common Rail are more like EFI not mechanical injection like old diesels. people that seem to know say it can wear the fuel pump, but on the bio forums they say it lubricates the diesel pump.
what i say is, Hy are covering the motor with there warranty so i'll do as they ask, if the people on the bio forum said they would cover it if i had a problemn then it might be different , but all they give is advice if it goes bang they would just say thats the first but would not pay to fix it. so be carefull.


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maybee Hyundai says not to use bio diesel in a crdi or ethanol in a petrol engine because they have tested those fuels and they aren't good for our engines. :idea:
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If I remeber rightly, when I used to run a scoob, I was able to use up to a 5% blend superunleaded petrol from the main companies without issue. From the manual I think it went on to say that if a higher concentration was used then the fuel lines, or more so the rubber components would have to be replaced due the the effects of bio fuels on rubber. I think the rubber fuel hoses and any rubber seals in the fuel system would need to be changed to a treated variant or silicone.

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maybee Hyundai says not to use bio diesel in a crdi or ethanol in a petrol engine because they have tested those fuels and they aren't good for our engines. :idea:

2i30s a few years back Hy ran a new Sonata V6 on high persentage of ethanole in a comparition between ethanole and normal unlead so i think they would not mind E10 but if the owners book say's not to use then don't as they might not have the car set up to run trouble free on ethanole.



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If I remeber rightly, when I used to run a scoob, I was able to use up to a 5% blend superunleaded petrol from the main companies without issue. From the manual I think it went on to say that if a higher concentration was used then the fuel lines, or more so the rubber components would have to be replaced due the the effects of bio fuels on rubber. I think the rubber fuel hoses and any rubber seals in the fuel system would need to be changed to a treated variant or silicone.

Mark

good point Mark, also have to remember Ethanole runs at a different air fuel ratio than normal unlead, but runing ethanole in small percentage's like 5% or 10% is ok as most petrol cars are set up on the rich side so useing 5 or 10% ethanole can help lean them out a bit and make them feel a little bit more responcive.


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sucks as we're getting a biodiesel plant co-op not 10km from where I live, and would love the chance to help them out!


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*bump* I have been looking to the biodiesel in i30 issue myself. I though I would post the information here that I have discovered so others can make an informed choice on what fuel they use in their car.

First of all, the official line is that commercial biodiesel fuels compliant with the standard are acceptable up to 5% concentration mixed with traditional diesel. The exact wordings are in your owners manual.

This is a document from the major that list their concerns with biodiesel as a fuel. http://www.scribd.com/doc/22125979 or http://www.journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/FIEM.pdf. Basically they list these problems with biodiesel -
 
- Free methanol
- Dissolved and free water
- Free glycerin
- Mono and di glycerides
- Free fatty acids
- Total solid impurity levels
- Alkaline metal compounds in solution.
- Oxidation and thermal stability

From my research it seems that these are valid concerns and all of these problems could cause problems in a modern diesel engine. These problems / contamination's occur when biodiesel is created from the wrong base oils or are reacted incompletely or are not "washed" and "dried" correctly. Washing is the process where excess chemicals from the reaction are removed using water and drying is the process where water is removed from the diesel leaving the fuel only.

In Australia, the government has put in place regulations that clearly setout the specifications of biodiesel ( and also specifications of normal diesel ) that ensure that the biodiesel sold in Australia does not have these problems. The Australian fuel standard (summary) specification is found here - http://www.environment.gov.au/atmosphere/fuelquality/standards/biodiesel/summary.html. There are also links to the full standard on this page.

If you read the summary you can see that all of the fuel system manufactures concerns have been addressed in the Australian standard. The standard sets very low limits on the amount of impurities that are allowed in biodiesel sold in Australia.

When biodiesel is mixed with diesel as in a B5 mix, the biodiesel component must meet the biodiesel standard and then the whole mix must comply with the Australian diesel standard - http://www.environment.gov.au/atmosphere/fuelquality/standards/diesel/

I think a lot of confusion around the term "biodiesel" on the Internet is that it's sometimes hard to know if people mean "biodiesel - the stuff I brewed up in my back yard" or "biodiesel - the commercially manufactured fuel that complies with the Australian standards".

Why would anybody want to use biodiesel anyway? Well there are a few reasons. It is renewable, it has good engine lubrication properties, it (typically) has a higher cetane index which means it ignites more easily under compression ( less diesel noise ) and it's often cheaper. It supports local industry and promotes recycling and reuse.

Hope this information will be helpful to people.


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