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The answer was rubbish actually - he was having us on.

The Giraffe has restrictors in its neck arteries to restrict the flow of blood when it bends its neck down and thus maintain normal blood presure in its brain. It is the same principal as the flying suits worn by fast jet pilots which pressurise the body and help them sustain high G forces.

But would this work in Australia where they are upside down?
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So we did get the answer after all. Asterix was right.

Yes, it still works in Oz too.  :D
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What? You don't believe everything that Google tells you Alan?
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I don't agree - because we rarely go off topic.

By the way, does anyone happen to know the blood pressure in a giraffe's head when it bends it neck down to drink.

Stirrer  :rofl:

Is it against the law in Tasmania to leave your giraffe unattended while you go and post a letter?  :undecided:
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 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

He asked for that............... :whistler:
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But be warned "off topics" are a common occurrence (and one of my specialties)  :-[

Don't we know it.

A posting can be about say brakes and the topic starts off about this and rumbles along for a while.  Then all of a sudden it goes off at a tangent about seats or some other obscure thing which can be a million miles away from brakes.  Topic like days out and holidays.

I go with the flow ...................
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A little remark to baradeur and the others who talked about "warming up" the engine in idle before driving off:

You shouldn't do that. Not only that it's illegal depending on your location, it's also useless and unhealthy for your engine.

Some people think that it's better for the engine to warm it up in idle before driving off but the contrary is true. It's better to drive off right away and warm the engine up in medium revs.

(Even better is of course a pre-heating device - but it doesn't work out to abuse the idle gear as pre-heater. The wearout will be higher compard to driving off right away with a cold motor.)

Thank you for your comments.

Firstly, I disagree with your opinion on what happens when a diesel engine is left to warm up on idle.
It is not normally my practice to do this but, on this occasion, it was  still dark on a very cold and wet morning and I was about to drive on a motorway (I only live 800 metres away from it ) so I considered it appropriate to ensure the car was warmed up and the windows clear of condensation.  It is called taking precautions.   The alternative would have been to start  driving  before the engine had warmed up and take risks by not having a clear view through the windows whilst doing so.

Leaving an engine running on my own property is not illegal in the U.K. but there is a risk of someone taking the vehicle whilst it is unattended hence my post (on topic) about locking the vehicle with the key in the ignition.


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A little remark to baradeur and the others who talked about "warming up" the engine in idle before driving off:

You shouldn't do that. Not only that it's illegal depending on your location, it's also useless and unhealthy for your engine.

Some people think that it's better for the engine to warm it up in idle before driving off but the contrary is true. It's better to drive off right away and warm the engine up in medium revs.

(Even better is of course a pre-heating device - but it doesn't work out to abuse the idle gear as pre-heater. The wearout will be higher compard to driving off right away with a cold motor.)

Thank you for your comments.

Firstly, I disagree with your opinion on what happens when a diesel engine is left to warm up on idle.
It is not normally my practice to do this but, on this occasion, it was  still dark on a very cold and wet morning and I was about to drive on a motorway (I only live 800 metres away from it ) so I considered it appropriate to ensure the car was warmed up and the windows clear of condensation.  It is called taking precautions.   The alternative would have been to start  driving  before the engine had warmed up and take risks by not having a clear view through the windows whilst doing so.

Leaving an engine running on my own property is not illegal in the U.K. but there is a risk of someone taking the vehicle whilst it is unattended hence my post (on topic) about locking the vehicle with the key in the ignition.

If you go on Canadian motor car web sites you can buy a kit which you fit to your car with which you can start your car from within the house.   This kit is designed so that any action in or around the car i.e engaging a gear, touching the control pedals will stall the engine till the key is inserted ergo prevent your car being stolen whilst it's warming up.

I don't know if they're legal in the UK but we used it all the time in Calgary, oh and when ya got to the shopping mal you reach a cable out from under the hood and plug your engine warmer in.  Ya see they're prepared for 40 below over there.   :rofl: :goodjob: :goodjob: :rofl:



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Regarding the original post on this thread: was the tailgate locked as well as the passenger doors? The tailgate unlocks when the driver's door is opened with the engine running and remains unlocked when the second key is used in the driver's door lock to lock the car with the engine still running.

I have just been out to check.

 It is not possible to lock the  MY car whilst the  key is in the ignition whether turned to "off" or engine running.  Using  the spare key neither remote fob nor manual locking operates the locks.

Edit: to specify which car.


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Evening all, or morning depending on where we are.
Tonight after work i had to collect my wife on the way home. So after finding a parking space (not easy in London ) i needed to get my moble phone out of my jacket which was on the backs seat. Engine is still running ,lights on etc.
i exit the car, close drivers door retrieve phone ,close back passengers door and hey presto car is locked with engine running and i am left standing in the street looking like a prostitute touting for business.
Now very very fortunately my wife carries the spare set of keys in her hand bag. When she EVENTUALLY!! turned up i had to insert the key into the lock on the drivers door before it would open. All in all the problem was rectified quickly, but and there is always a but, what would have happened had i been in the middle of nowhere, pitch black perhaps and pissing down with rain, ill tell you where i would have been. Up s**t creek without a fu**en paddle thats where.. I love a lot of the safety features on the I30 But come on some of them like this one is totally crazy. Has anyone else suffered the same problem.. Does anyone know if this feature can be disabled..

I look forward to any and all replies.
Cheers JF


I know i'm a bit late to reply to this, but that did happen to me with betsy my first i30CRDi , i was home and she was runing i had just driven her into garage and always let her idle a minute b4 turning off, went to check mail & she had locked herself with motor still runing. first think i did was try the rear hatch, & for some reason that was NOT locked, so i climber through rear hatch opened rear door.
that has never happened to me again as i won't ever trust a Hyundai that has motor runing with key in it again! i leave the door open or have a window down. strange the rear hatch would open.


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A little remark to baradeur and the others who talked about "warming up" the engine in idle before driving off:

You shouldn't do that. Not only that it's illegal depending on your location, it's also useless and unhealthy for your engine.

Some people think that it's better for the engine to warm it up in idle before driving off but the contrary is true. It's better to drive off right away and warm the engine up in medium revs.

(Even better is of course a pre-heating device - but it doesn't work out to abuse the idle gear as pre-heater. The wearout will be higher compard to driving off right away with a cold motor.)

Thank you for your comments.

Firstly, I disagree with your opinion on what happens when a diesel engine is left to warm up on idle.
It is not normally my practice to do this but, on this occasion, it was  still dark on a very cold and wet morning and I was about to drive on a motorway (I only live 800 metres away from it ) so I considered it appropriate to ensure the car was warmed up and the windows clear of condensation.  It is called taking precautions.   The alternative would have been to start  driving  before the engine had warmed up and take risks by not having a clear view through the windows whilst doing so.

Leaving an engine running on my own property is not illegal in the U.K. but there is a risk of someone taking the vehicle whilst it is unattended hence my post (on topic) about locking the vehicle with the key in the ignition.

If you go on Canadian motor car web sites you can buy a kit which you fit to your car with which you can start your car from within the house.   This kit is designed so that any action in or around the car i.e engaging a gear, touching the control pedals will stall the engine till the key is inserted ergo prevent your car being stolen whilst it's warming up.

I don't know if they're legal in the UK but we used it all the time in Calgary, oh and when ya got to the shopping mal you reach a cable out from under the hood and plug your engine warmer in.  Ya see they're prepared for 40 below over there.   :rofl: :goodjob: :goodjob: :rofl:



Hey Asa a friend of mine was working in Canada about 15 years back living near Toronto, told me each morning car would be covered in ice or snow, he had heater set to full, he would remote start it from the house have breakfast and the car would be warm to go. but that would not be legal here in NSW not sure about other states of Australia? but you can't leave a motor runing or a car or truck or anything runing or unlocked and leave it to do something. they all have to have motor off & key out & locked even if only just getting out and then back in. thats the law , it's only been in a short time & to my knowledge i've never meet anyone that has been caught.


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... to my knowledge i've never meet anyone that has been caught.

That's probably because they were behind bars ;)
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>but you can't leave a motor runing or a car or truck or anything runing or unlocked and leave it to do something. they all have to have motor off & key out & locked even if only just getting out and then back in. thats the law , it's only been in a short time & to my knowledge i've never meet anyone that has been caught.

Not quite correct, John....  :)

Here's the actual road rule applicable for NSW:

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213   Making a motor vehicle secure

(1)  This rule applies to the driver of a motor vehicle who stops and leaves the vehicle on a road, except so far as the driver is exempt from this rule by an exemption order under rule 213–1 or an exemption under rule 313A (2).
Note 1. Motor vehicle is defined in the Dictionary.
Note 2. Subrule (1) is not uniform with the corresponding subrule in rule 213 of the Australian Road Rules. However, the corresponding subrule in the Australian Road Rules allows another law of this jurisdiction to provide for drivers to be exempted from this rule. Different rules may apply in other Australian jurisdictions.
(2)  Before leaving the vehicle, the driver must apply the parking brake effectively or, if weather conditions (for example, snow) would prevent the effective operation of the parking brake, effectively restrain the motor vehicle’s movement in another way.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.


(3)  If the driver will be over 3 metres from the closest part of the vehicle, the driver must switch off the engine before leaving the vehicle.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.


(4)  If the driver will be over 3 metres from the closest part of the vehicle, and:
(a)  there is no-one left in the vehicle, or
(b)  there is only a child or children under 16 years old left in the vehicle,
      the driver must remove the ignition key before leaving the vehicle.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.


(5)  If the driver will be over 3 metres from the closest part of the vehicle and there is no-one left in the vehicle, the driver must:
(a)  if the windows of the vehicle can be secured—secure the windows immediately before leaving the vehicle, and
(b)  if the doors of the vehicle can be locked—lock the doors immediately after leaving the vehicle.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.


Note. Window is defined in the Dictionary.
(6)  For the purposes of subrule (5), a window is secure even if it is open by up to 2 centimetres.
213–1   NSW rule: exemption orders for rule 213

(cf RRR, cl 22A)

(1)  The Authority may, by order in writing (an exemption order), exempt any class of motor vehicles from the operation of rule 213 (3) and (4) if the Authority is satisfied that:
(a)  such vehicles are used for the purpose of delivering or collecting goods (including money) in circumstances that require the drivers of those vehicles to enter and leave those vehicles at frequent intervals, and
(b)  the engines of such vehicles have to be kept running in order to operate equipment used in connection with the use of those vehicles for that purpose.
Note. Authority is defined in the Act.
(2)  An exemption order may be made subject to such conditions as the Authority considers appropriate.
(3)  For the purposes of rule 213 (1), the driver of a vehicle to which an exemption order applies is exempt from the operation of rule 213 (3) and (4) so long as the driver complies with any condition to which the order is subject.
Note. This rule is an additional NSW road rule. There is no corresponding rule in the Australian Road Rules.


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