[Lakes]

Bunyip, just checked your links for BP ultimate Diesel can only get it in Perth thats on the other side of Australia. i know after reading the link that the BP i use is not Ultimate as it foams when i fill up. but like you said if they ask $1.84 for the normal BP diesel , what price would ultimaye be? maybe one of our perth members would know?
I would like to try that aditive if you can find an outlet for it here in Australia?
thanks
John

[EymaTeapot]

Hi Lakes,

The website i located indicated a servo i Marrikville that supplys Bio deisel as well as a bio/pertodeisl mix.

[TheBunyip]

OFF TOPIC

 Hi Lakes,

I for one do not know enough about the Le Mans rules to comment. I was aware that the Oil Burners now have to have smaller fuel tanks to balance things out but that is all I know. I thought that was supposed to satisfy the objections to Diesel advantages.

[Lakes]

Eyma, i will have to check that out in two weeks if i'm near marrickville.

Bunyip, i don't know enough about Le Mans myself, but my friends Son worked in UK with a few race teams on motors, he went to Le Mans a few times worked in the pits on race cars, one year with a Class wining sportscar that ran a Jaguar motor, then latter they fitted a Chevy Le Mans V8 think it was LS7 they had to run restriction in the air intake to get that size motor in the class was 427 cubic inch.
now he is back here again and just got married i see him a lot, and when i got my diesel i was jokeing about diesel's rule at Le Mans, he said the class rules favour the diesel but if they were on equal terms would be different. he keeps in touch with racers that race over there, so i suppose they told him, i'll try to find out in more detail next time i see him.

Can you see if you can find out if that diesel additive has an agent in Australia thank you.
Cheers

[foxey]

The question still remains, why is supermarket diesel inferior ? And indeed why is discount fuel inferior - shouldn't it be the same ?

I understand if the octane is lower or in the case of petrol  if it's crappy  E10 then it would cheaper - but with this cheap diesel they don't tell us there is any difference - it is just labelled diesel.. thats all..

[Lakes]

Foxy, i don't know if supermarket diesel is inferior or not , i think the Shell must be ok as we use it with our companys large trucks and they have never had a problem yet. i don't know what the woolworths caltex use but caltex diesel would be similar to BP & Mobile i would expect? they all come from same refinery i think? thats in Sydney, but i'm not 100% sure. i think it's just important to buy diesel from a place that has a large turn over then you know it is fresh, as it gets older its not as good. hope this helps.

[TheBunyip]

Hi Again,

Cheap Discount fuels are as I understand it (and I could be wrong) fuels that meet or should meet the minimum legal standards in the country of sale. Unfortunately such fuels leave something to be desired. If Branded by an Oil company they will carry some additives to enhance the product to some extent. In the UK some years ago Tesco learned the need to do that the hard way when they started to compete with the big boys. Just my opinion.

For example Australia has reduced the amount of Sulphur (Sulfur) in Diesel in recent years but it is not yet down to the lowest level demanded by other countries so far as I know. Very low sulphur  Diesel may be good for the environment but it is bad for engines unless its shortcomings are addressed by additives e.g. add 2% BioDiesel to restore the Lubricity required to protect the Injectors from very early failure. i30 Dave might be able to discover more as he works in the industry.

The Oil companies seek to gain competitive advantage by the additives introduced to improve some aspect of the product. Often the same fuel will be collected from a refinery by tankers working for different Oil companies and then have different additions to produce the standardised Oil Company product. From the earlier posts it seems that there is not yet much competition between the Oil companies in Australia for the sale of Diesel. Perhaps they think the Truckies and 4X4 community etc., who have been their traditional customers are not much swayed by Hype!!!

As for making our own additions like the UK's Miller Sport 4 (The '4' means it will not compromise Euro4 emission standards) well that depends on what is available in your local markets. It is available in New Zealand. See here http://www.millersoils.co.nz but not yet in Australia.

Millers replied to my email on Australian availability this morning. They are in discussions with a potential main importer so I guess Lakes will have to wait a bit before he can try it for himself. It might not hurt for a few Australian Diesel owners to email Millers Oils UK to ask to be notified when a local supplier is available. enquiries@millersoils.co.uk I would hope that that would encourage the importer to do the deal. The alternative of clubbing together to import a case would be  much too expensive. A fact admitted by Millers Oils.

In the meantime someone in Australia might like to take a look at what a small local specialist offers. The company is  PM Lubricants http://www.pmlubricants.com.au/pm_home.htm Their product PM800 Fuel System Conditioner - Petrol and Diesel was mentioned very favorably on one of the 4X4 forums. It might be as good or even better than the Millers Oil Product. Unfortunately PM Lubricants do not seem to publish much in terms of product descriptions as they are not focused on the ordinary motorist.