[Dazzler]

Saw this in Supercheap today ... Think the one I saw was 5w-60 for about the same price (something like $24 offf)

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Penrite-HPR-5-Engine-Oil-5W-40-5-Litre.aspx?pid=14911#Description

Didn't realise it was an Australian Company (seems cheap for a fully synthetic) 

In case the price on that link changes it is currently $43.87 for 5 litres

[Doggie 1]

That seems pretty good Dazz.
There is a specialist high performance Ford workshop north of the river in Perth that does all of the FPV stuff, GTs etc, and they won't use anything other than Penrite.

[2i30s]

my uncle races a v8 super sedan [with an engine similar to a sprint car]and is sponsored by penrite. 

[i30niko]

Saw this in Supercheap today ... Think the one I saw was 5w-60 for about the same price (something like $24 offf)

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Penrite-HPR-5-Engine-Oil-5W-40-5-Litre.aspx?pid=14911#Description

Didn't realise it was an Australian Company (seems cheap for a fully synthetic) 

In case the price on that link changes it is currently $43.87 for 5 litres

Dazz this is a good oil BUT for the diesel Penrite actually recommends the 5w40 diesel instead. I picked up a 10L for $78 from REPCO (SUPERCHEAP Is $91).

Thing is the Diesel 5w40 is SEMI-SYNTHETIC but does abide to all specs of hyundai including B4 and Penrite recommends it for a diesel over its HPR5 full synthetic (Strangely).

In a lot of threads I have actually tried to make everyone aware of our OZ companies PENRITE, NULON (and to a lesser extend GULF WESTERN).

I am surprised by many that do not know their OZ companies......

(And for your European members they need to use ENVIRO+ 5w40 which abides with all DPF specs).

[AlanHo]

Any Europeans reading this thread who have a diesel car fitted with a DPF will need to buy engine oil that meets the ACEA C2 or C3 specification - otherwise the DPF will quickly get stuffed.

Also note that for the 2010 and 2012 i30 CRDi the viscosity recommended by Hyundai for the various average temperature ranges are :-

0 to 50°C      : 15W-40
-5 to 40°C     : 10W-30
-10 to 40°C   : 5W-30
-30 to 30°C   : 0W-30

Note that 5W-40 is not included in the Hyundai recommendations.

Thing is the Diesel 5w40 is SEMI-SYNTHETIC but does abide to all specs of hyundai including B4...

If Penrite recommend an oil that does not even meet the manufacturer's requirement what does that say? EDIT: I misread the quote

If you use an oil that is not ACEA B4 in Australia you are going out on a limb regarding warranty if something in the engine lets go. It's an unlikely event but why would you personally take on the engine warranty when for a few bucks more at the most, the full onus is on Hy?

Use ACEA B4 of any brand that takes your fancy, including Oz companies if so inclined. I have no special knowledge but from all that I can research I'm not likely to try Nulon as a company either. It might be my loss.

[i30niko]

Thing is the Diesel 5w40 is SEMI-SYNTHETIC but does abide to all specs of hyundai including B4...

If Penrite recommend an oil that does not even meet the manufacturer's requirement what does that say?

If you use an oil that is not ACEA B4 in Australia you are going out on a limb regarding warranty if something in the engine lets go. It's an unlikely event but why would you personally take on the engine warranty when for a few bucks more at the most, the full onus is on Hy?

Use ACEA B4 of any brand that takes your fancy, including Oz companies if so inclined. I have no special knowledge but from all that I can research I'm not likely to try Nulon as a company either. It might be my loss.

Pip i think you misread my post, I said the penrite Diesel DOES abide by the specs. From penrites website the HPR5 Diesel 5w40 is API CI-4 PLUS/SL, ACEA A3/B4/E7.....The only thing is it says semi-synthetic that is all. I guess it my be a pretty good semi-synthetic....

I did! 

By my reckoning most full synthetic oils are semi-synthetic by dint of using group 3 base. Maybe Penrite are just being more upfront.

[i30niko]

Any Europeans reading this thread who have a diesel car fitted with a DPF will need to buy engine oil that meets the ACEA C2 or C3 specification - otherwise the DPF will quickly get stuffed.

Also note that for the 2010 and 2012 i30 CRDi the viscosity recommended by Hyundai for the various average temperature ranges are :-

0 to 50°C      : 15W-40
-5 to 100°C   : 10W-30
-10 to 100°C : 5W-30
-30 to 90°C   : 0W-30

Note that 5W-40 is not included in the Hyundai recommendations.

Yeah the European vehicles with DPF would need the ENVIRO+ Penrite (Should they wish to choose penrite).

Also 5w40 is perfectly recommended for the i30 diesel. If 15w40 is recommended and if 5w30 is recommended also,
Then automatically it can be assumed that if your lowest viscosity acceptable is 0w and the highest is 40 ANY combination between that range is acceptable....(Pip should be able to confirm this)......

A lot of hyundai service centers here in OZ use 5w40 and the 5w40 range is recommended by big oil brands like Shell For the i30 Diesel. I don't think the warranty will void just on the merit 5w40 oil is used.....

Also there is a form going around apparently created National Technical Director of Hyundai and 5w40 is the most commonly used oil......Its here

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=16604.msg181564#msg181564

[i30niko]

I did! 

By my reckoning most full synthetic oils are semi-synthetic by dint of using group 3 base. Maybe Penrite are just being more upfront.

Yeah this is what I am thinking, they are probably telling it like it is.....Coz i remember on a lot of your posts you made it clear that many oil companies do market Semi-synthetic oils are full-synthetic....

In my books a company that is more upfront is a winner.....

[AlanHo]

Can I therefore take it that in Australia the Hyundai i30 manual recommends the use of 5W-40 oil in the i30 CRDi - they don't in the UK.

[i30niko]

Can I therefore take it that in Australia the Hyundai i30 manual recommends the use of 5W-40 oil in the i30 CRDi - they don't in the UK.

AlanHo, NO actually you are still technically right it is NOT in the manual.......but as I said, it is within acceptable viscosity range.....so there is no way they will be warranty issues in the merits of using a 5w40........So long as the oil conforms in the B4 or C3 (if in Europe) etc etc

Most companies have lube guides on their websites, when I input i30 diesel MOST companies will recommend a 5w40 among others, and that includes our own Penrite and Nulon as well as Castrol.....

[AlanHo]

6 years back my brother in law had a warranty claim rejected for valve problems by Ford because he had used a viscosity spec not in their manual - even though Castrol listed it for his car on their website. He used to supply the dealer with his own favourite Castrol oil for servicing so even though they should have been aware of the discrepancy he fought a losing battle and it cost him several hundred pounds for the repairs.

Ever since then - knowing that manufacturers will use every legal trick in the book to wriggle out of claims - I have always stuck rigidly to manufacturers recommendations during the warranty period. It isn't worth saving a few quid on oil to risk such an outcome.

[i30niko]

6 years back my brother in law had a warranty claim rejected for valve problems by Ford because he had used a viscosity spec not in their manual - even though Castrol listed it for his car on their website. He used to supply the dealer with his own favourite Castrol oil for servicing so even though they should have been aware of the discrepancy he fought a losing battle and it cost him several hundred pounds for the repairs.

Ever since then - knowing that manufacturers will use every legal trick in the book to wriggle out of claims - I have always stuck rigidly to manufacturers recommendations during the warranty period. It isn't worth saving a few quid on oil to risk such an outcome.

Yeah I guess you are right, but then again I will be doing it at home (That's the 7,500 optional service) so how would they know? Its not like they are going to pull out some oil and analyze it under a lab (or will they?)...

And come to think about it, WHen I first bought the car, I am pretty sure it said on the sticker that the Castrol Magnatec 5w40 was in it. So pretty much off the factory with a 5w40 oil.......

Pip will be able to tell us more....

And yeah I would agree with some of the manufactures trying to use every trick on the book to reject a warranty claim - that is really bad.....I am sure it was not the oil that ruined your brother in law's Ford

[beerman]

6 years back my brother in law had a warranty claim rejected for valve problems by Ford because he had used a viscosity spec not in their manual - even though Castrol listed it for his car on their website. He used to supply the dealer with his own favourite Castrol oil for servicing so even though they should have been aware of the discrepancy he fought a losing battle and it cost him several hundred pounds for the repairs.

Ever since then - knowing that manufacturers will use every legal trick in the book to wriggle out of claims - I have always stuck rigidly to manufacturers recommendations during the warranty period. It isn't worth saving a few quid on oil to risk such an outcome.

If it was the oil, I would have thought the dealer would have had a duty of care to warn him that it did not comply before adding it to the vehicle. Given they are the experts in ford, and he is a customer, with no knowledge, they had an obligation to check it was compliant, and if not warn him (in fact dare I say they should have gone so far to refuse to use it).