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I don't understand Rusty's reasoning.
Headlights and tail-lights are OK in inclement weather, obviously because they increase visibility of the car but somehow DRLs are a disservice. Do they not increase visibility just like headlights?Yes perhaps their benefit is less on a bright summer's day but that's not every day conditions. Heck it's been cloudy for the whole week in Sydney.Even in sunny conditions, Rusty, haven't you driven at dusk or dawn directly into the direction of the sun and tried to make out oncoming cars against the glare, or had to look in your rear view mirror with the sun behind you as you tried to see if it was safe to change lanes. Take a moment to see whether DRLs make a difference then. I'm sure the 90% of us here who support DRLs don't all need our eyes checked.Even today, pouring rain in Sydney. Yes 60% of people put their headlights on but 40% do not. DRL's make a big difference particularly as that 40% of drivers are just not accustomed to putting on their lights rather than forgetting.
^^^^That's all very well, Jamie. Yes, anecdotal I agre.However, there are a number of experienced and careful Australian members who have made observations on hre which indicate they can see the benefits. Technically that's anecdotal but I would suggest that their observations are valid.As you know I have a history in motor sport. A number of my friends are now involved in drivr training and I'm unaware of any of them who dispute the benefits of DRLs.Also, most of the reports I've read highlight that the most benefit is gained around dawn and dusk. With significant improvements in single vehicle/ pedestrian accidents and car/ motorcycle accidents. These are north American surveys. I have an interest in Canada obviously, but most reports include the USA.
Do you have scientific proof of that?
Quote from: Johnno on April 04, 2015, 16:50:16 Daytime running lights | AAThanks but......I've seen cars with drl's on with side lights on which according to the above should not occur as drl's become the sidelights......so have car manufacturers found a way around the eu regs....
I'll have to do a bit of reading up on the regs.I'm getting a bit Rusty.
Oh, BTW, i was driving home this evening and a car doomed up in my rear view mirror with headlights on AND DRL's (not dimmed at all). Guess what..... A Volvo V40.
Difference in regulations between NL and AUS ?
^^^^That's all very well, Jamie. Yes, anecdotal I agre.However, there are a number of experienced and careful Australian members who have made observations on hre which indicate they can see the benefits. Technically that's anecdotal but I would suggest that their observations are valid.
I don't understand Rusty's reasoning.Headlights and tail-lights are OK in inclement weather, obviously because they increase visibility of the car but somehow DRLs are a disservice. Do they not increase visibility just like headlights?
Surely if they save even one person being involved in a fatal/serious incident then that is a good thing?
Quote from: constipated on April 04, 2015, 05:05:27I don't understand Rusty's reasoning.Headlights and tail-lights are OK in inclement weather, obviously because they increase visibility of the car but somehow DRLs are a disservice. Do they not increase visibility just like headlights?The difference though is that if you are using daylight running lights in inclement weather, you are driving without taillights on at a time when they would be very beneficial...
Quote from: bumpkin on April 03, 2015, 15:06:40Surely if they save even one person being involved in a fatal/serious incident then that is a good thing?This comment seems to pop up quite regularly to try to justify so called safety features.... Okay, so how about we fit flashing lights on all cars and also require cars to be painted in fluoro green paint??Surely if it saves just one person it has to be a good thing....
Quote from: bumpkin on April 03, 2015, 15:06:40Surely if they save even one person being involved in a fatal/serious incident then that is a good thing?This comment seems to pop up quite regularly to try to justify so called safety features.... Okay, so how about we fit flashing lights on all cars
Quote from: rustynutz on April 07, 2015, 06:42:36Quote from: bumpkin on April 03, 2015, 15:06:40Surely if they save even one person being involved in a fatal/serious incident then that is a good thing?This comment seems to pop up quite regularly to try to justify so called safety features.... Okay, so how about we fit flashing lights on all cars Getting there.......... if you brake hard, then on some modern cars (i30 included) the brake lights flash first to maximise attention.This is getting boring but......... on my 1989 Honda Goldwing I have Modulating Brake lights (along with cornering lights and DRL's), they flash first then stay on.In fact, in some US States modulating headlights are on the table for acceptance (they don't flash on and off, they dim slightly)
The difference though is that if you are using daylight running lights in inclement weather, you are driving without taillights on at a time when they would be very beneficial...
Quote from: rustynutz on April 07, 2015, 05:44:16The difference though is that if you are using daylight running lights in inclement weather, you are driving without taillights on at a time when they would be very beneficial... No, the tail lights are only 5 watts @ standard bulb consumption. Their brightness compared to 5 watt LED's is considerably less, almost useless actually.A rear fog light is 21 watts IIRC.
There is plenty of evidence of the effectiveness of DRLs. There's little proof it is flawed. Except in the arguments put forward by opponents.
As for whether or not having parking lights (including tail lights) on instead of DRLs that's probably valid. But whilst I suspect nose to tail accidents feature prominently in the list of causes, most serious accidents are front on (head on) or pedestrians or cyclists (both pedal and motor) who either don't see or aren't seen by oncoming vehicles, then DRLs would seem to be a worthwhile consideration.
You only have to turn on the park lights to get the benefit of rear lights as well which means that full driving lights don't need to be on.
Your not being very realistic are you