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I think it's been pretty well agreed that these lights are intended for low light and marginal conditions.
Quote from: Phil №❶ on April 08, 2015, 13:56:53I think it's been pretty well agreed that these lights are intended for low light and marginal conditions. A quick review of all of the pro-DRL posts indicate that the majority of people say they benefit ALL OF THE TIME.
I would take issue with you being worried about potential, if we don't examine and push potential we would still be driving Model T's. Good or bad thing?
>which is where the "surely if it saves one person it is worth doing" comes from.
@RustyThe points you make about the same body using evidence which suits in order to promote a standpoint is well made, however you should recognise that the same can be said in the opposite direction, the various studies trying to prove the alternative (which you have pointed to yourself) are also written with an agenda, this is why discussion takes place, the very idea you are against which is that we all accept what we are being told without question also applies to the alternative which you are promoting, why should we blindly accept that?
Personally I don't need some stupid government review wasting taxpayer dollars to prove to some sceptic the obvious benefits of what visual advantages can be had with DRL's, I've experienced and seen the benefits myself
Quote from: bumpkin on April 08, 2015, 07:46:28I would take issue with you being worried about potential, if we don't examine and push potential we would still be driving Model T's. Good or bad thing?When people say there is "proof" of daylight running lights making driving safer and research shows this so called proof is showing nothing but having the "potential" to make roads safer, is it then actual proof??? It's a bit like me buying a ticket for Lotto...I have the potential to be a millionaire but it doesn't mean it's gonna happen though... Quote from: bumpkin on April 08, 2015, 07:46:28>which is where the "surely if it saves one person it is worth doing" comes from.This concerns me...why are people so happy to just accept something blindly because it may save one person?? What if, upon examination of the evidence, there are concerns that daylight running lights may put other road users at a higher risk???Do we just ignore these concerns??? It would seem so going by some of the responses on here.... Quote from: bumpkin on April 08, 2015, 09:57:35@RustyThe points you make about the same body using evidence which suits in order to promote a standpoint is well made, however you should recognise that the same can be said in the opposite direction, the various studies trying to prove the alternative (which you have pointed to yourself) are also written with an agenda, this is why discussion takes place, the very idea you are against which is that we all accept what we are being told without question also applies to the alternative which you are promoting, why should we blindly accept that?You don't have to accept it, but actually reading it is a start...You can then make a more informed decision. It would seem though that many will not even consider doing that as, because they can see drl's out on the road they then aren't willing to consider the possibility of any downsides....Quote from: CraigB on April 08, 2015, 14:11:12Personally I don't need some stupid government review wasting taxpayer dollars to prove to some sceptic the obvious benefits of what visual advantages can be had with DRL's, I've experienced and seen the benefits myself If things were as clear-cut as you believe, then surely there wouldn't need to be one....and there wouldn't be these other concerns regarding other road users...
My opinion is as valid as any one elses. Dave... At the end of the day, if you don't like what I type, don't bother reading it...it's as simple as that.
Without going back and reading everything that has been written and posted, I'd just like to say that I've personally never used a Dog Retractable Lead, but I do believe they are very good as a behaviour modifier for some dogs.
Quote from: Doggie 1 on April 09, 2015, 09:26:22Without going back and reading everything that has been written and posted, I'd just like to say that I've personally never used a Dog Retractable Lead, but I do believe they are very good as a behaviour modifier for some dogs. But I don't want to modify your behaviour, Doggie 1! I liked how you pointed out the sights to me as we sipped our soy lattes and solved the problems of the world, which I believe was that the ladies should wear less clothes.
Quote from: FatBoy on April 09, 2015, 09:32:46Quote from: Doggie 1 on April 09, 2015, 09:26:22Without going back and reading everything that has been written and posted, I'd just like to say that I've personally never used a Dog Retractable Lead, but I do believe they are very good as a behaviour modifier for some dogs. But I don't want to modify your behaviour, Doggie 1! I liked how you pointed out the sights to me as we sipped our soy lattes and solved the problems of the world, which I believe was that the ladies should wear less clothes.I really think you're confusing me with someone else.
Quote from: Doggie 1 on April 09, 2015, 09:39:11Quote from: FatBoy on April 09, 2015, 09:32:46Quote from: Doggie 1 on April 09, 2015, 09:26:22Without going back and reading everything that has been written and posted, I'd just like to say that I've personally never used a Dog Retractable Lead, but I do believe they are very good as a behaviour modifier for some dogs. But I don't want to modify your behaviour, Doggie 1! I liked how you pointed out the sights to me as we sipped our soy lattes and solved the problems of the world, which I believe was that the ladies should wear less clothes.I really think you're confusing me with someone else. Don't make me modify your behaviour!!
We get it Rusty.It's as valid as anyone else's.We get it. You've told us 53 times.
Balls out, m8.... I never implied that your opinions lack validity (there are always Yays and Nays in any discussion), or that i haven't enjoyed the manner in which you have fought the concensus tooth and nail.
Quote from: Surferdude on April 09, 2015, 09:13:57We get it Rusty.It's as valid as anyone else's.We get it. You've told us 53 times. I rest my case.
Quote from: Wingerdave on April 09, 2015, 11:57:01Balls out, m8.... I never implied that your opinions lack validity (there are always Yays and Nays in any discussion), or that i haven't enjoyed the manner in which you have fought the concensus tooth and nail.It was the tone of your reply, Dave.... Quote from: Wingerdave on April 09, 2015, 11:57:01Quote from: Surferdude on April 09, 2015, 09:13:57We get it Rusty.It's as valid as anyone else's.We get it. You've told us 53 times. I rest my case.That was just Trevor's personal issues with me coming out, he can't help himself, please don't encouage him...
It was the tone of your reply, Dave....
Quote from: rustynutz on April 09, 2015, 12:56:09Quote from: Wingerdave on April 09, 2015, 11:57:01Balls out, m8.... I never implied that your opinions lack validity (there are always Yays and Nays in any discussion), or that i haven't enjoyed the manner in which you have fought the concensus tooth and nail.It was the tone of your reply, Dave.... Quote from: Wingerdave on April 09, 2015, 11:57:01Quote from: Surferdude on April 09, 2015, 09:13:57We get it Rusty.It's as valid as anyone else's.We get it. You've told us 53 times. I rest my case.That was just Trevor's personal issues with me coming out, he can't help himself, please don't encouage him... And you still can't see it.
Quote from: FatBoy on April 09, 2015, 09:32:46Quote from: Doggie 1 on April 09, 2015, 09:26:22Without going back and reading everything that has been written and posted, I'd just like to say that I've personally never used a Dog Retractable Lead, but I do believe they are very good as a behaviour modifier for some dogs. But I don't want to modify your behaviour, Doggie 1! I liked how you pointed out the sights to me as we sipped our soy lattes and solved the problems of the world, which I believe was that the ladies should wear less clothes.You know, Jamie...totally agree with you there , when Doggie was showing Daz and myself the same sights.....