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I do.I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one.
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard?
Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 00:58:48I do.I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one. I'm open to the facts. There have been none. Only suggestive pictures with NO supporting information about what really was going on there. I have said this all along and would love to know the facts. No one is saying.Here again is the original article:http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.htmlAs you can see long on opinion, short on facts. It certainly doesn't look good... but without facts its hard to know for sure whats going on. In the absence of facts we are just speculating at this point as you well know. As is the photographer and certainly Mike Smith as well.The image metadata says Sharon Tisdale aka Shazzarati. According to google, the reputable news agencies have stopped talking to her but Mike Smith seems to publish pretty much everything she says. Lets see if this continues. It may be the only way to hear whats going on in future, unsubstantiated or otherwise.
Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:16:47Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard? You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.
ONE boat arrives since the Liberals take over and you make a comment like that. Your bias is showing, Mr Rustynutz.
Quote from: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 01:30:19Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 00:58:48I do.I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one. I'm open to the facts. There have been none. Only suggestive pictures with NO supporting information about what really was going on there. I have said this all along and would love to know the facts. No one is saying.Here again is the original article:http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.htmlAs you can see long on opinion, short on facts. It certainly doesn't look good... but without facts its hard to know for sure whats going on. In the absence of facts we are just speculating at this point as you well know. As is the photographer and certainly Mike Smith as well.The image metadata says Sharon Tisdale aka Shazzarati. According to google, the reputable news agencies have stopped talking to her but Mike Smith seems to publish pretty much everything she says. Lets see if this continues. It may be the only way to hear whats going on in future, unsubstantiated or otherwise.Maybe it will. I mean we haven't seen any media photographs of asylum seekers or boats since Julia Gillard gagged the free press.
Keep up with the program, Dave, or your bias might start showing, too.
Quote from: Ugly Mongrel on September 23, 2013, 03:27:38Keep up with the program, Dave, or your bias might start showing, too. I think that started showing long ago, Um... As for the boats, I was being generous and didn't count the boats that arrived before Abbott was sworn in....
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:59:43Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:16:47Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard? You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.What, barely 3 months ago?
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 00:40:03ONE boat arrives since the Liberals take over and you make a comment like that. Your bias is showing, Mr Rustynutz.Correction, Dave, eight boats have arrived.Keep up with the program, Dave, or your bias might start showing, too. http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christmas-island-residents-will-tell-the-world-about-asylum-seeker-arrivals-union-leader-20130923-2u8se.html
Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 02:45:24Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:59:43Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:16:47Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard? You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.What, barely 3 months ago? I meant six years ago.
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 12:03:53Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 02:45:24Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:59:43Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:16:47Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard? You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.I meant six years ago.I wasn't aware that Rudd took over from Julia 6 years ago.... Point to you. I meant when Rudd took over six years ago.But does that mean that you acknowledge there were failings to overcome when Rudd took over from Gillard?
Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 02:45:24Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:59:43Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:16:47Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard? You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.I meant six years ago.I wasn't aware that Rudd took over from Julia 6 years ago....
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:59:43Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 01:16:47Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 01:09:12Give some time for policies to start to work and for the new government to wind back the failings of the previous Labor government.Pure logic tells you it will take a bit of time when the failings were so deeply entrenched.Just like you did when Rudd took over from Gillard? You wouldn't know. You didn't know me then.I meant six years ago.
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 02:01:16Quote from: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 01:30:19Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 00:58:48I do.I also know the difference between an open mind and a closed one. I'm open to the facts. There have been none. Only suggestive pictures with NO supporting information about what really was going on there. I have said this all along and would love to know the facts. No one is saying.Here again is the original article:http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/some-great-aussies-live-on-christmas-island-meet-a-dead-set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.htmlAs you can see long on opinion, short on facts. It certainly doesn't look good... but without facts its hard to know for sure whats going on. In the absence of facts we are just speculating at this point as you well know. As is the photographer and certainly Mike Smith as well.The image metadata says Sharon Tisdale aka Shazzarati. According to google, the reputable news agencies have stopped talking to her but Mike Smith seems to publish pretty much everything she says. Lets see if this continues. It may be the only way to hear whats going on in future, unsubstantiated or otherwise.Maybe it will. I mean we haven't seen any media photographs of asylum seekers or boats since Julia Gillard gagged the free press.I missed the memo on that one and couldn't find any information about it. Have you some details about it for me? Not being provocative, I just want to know more about this. On the other topic, Tony did say it might take a while to sort out stopping the boats which is fair enough. Lets see how he goes.
Once again you presume.
Quote from: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 15:38:11Once again you presume. Presume? Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.I think you made your position pretty clear with this:This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).
I know you have already drawn your own conclusions, but I heard what I heard, from Gillard herself.
Quote from: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 15:38:11Once again you presume. Presume? Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.I think you made your position pretty clear with this:This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.
Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 15:46:24Quote from: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 15:38:11Once again you presume. Presume? Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.I think you made your position pretty clear with this:This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).Dave, from what I can see, Keith was just quoting YOUR quote there...
Quote from: rustynutz on September 23, 2013, 16:22:13Quote from: db08 on September 23, 2013, 15:46:24Quote from: Aussie Keith on September 23, 2013, 15:38:11Once again you presume. Presume? Yes and presumed right. To say you haven't made your mind up yet is a bit hard to accept given your response.I think you made your position pretty clear with this:This made me laugh: The media weren't allowed to report boat arrivals or publish photos of asylum seekers as it "risks national security" to do so, apparently, yet Labor did this which resulted in them being accused of double standards.I think you got the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).Dave, from what I can see, Keith was just quoting YOUR quote there... This is what I was referring to. This bit. This made me laugh. I think you got hold of the wrong end of the stick there (he said kindly).