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Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!!
Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!!Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires.
Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!!Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?
Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!!Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop.
Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 00:03:47Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!!Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop. Faulty ABS sensor (wheel sensor) will shut down ABS system, conventional braking will remain.reading the information above leads me to believe that a defect in the ESP / ESC system will not shutdown ABS unless the fault is within the ABS. In other words, ABS is fully functional with the other components defective and it's independant.If ABS was at fault then the ESP system would be turned off as it needs all modules that contribute to it as a package to be functional.Since ABS is reported to be fully functional, no ABS warning lamp, suggest wheel sensor is ok.I'm wondering if the fault could be the HECU itself because the pump and all the other electronic sytems are part of that one unit. ( excld yaw sensor, steering sensors)Factory level scan and any code report would be interesting to see what may be reported, if anything?Plot thickens
Quote from: tw2005 on March 24, 2019, 01:11:28Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 00:03:47Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!!Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop. Faulty ABS sensor (wheel sensor) will shut down ABS system, conventional braking will remain.reading the information above leads me to believe that a defect in the ESP / ESC system will not shutdown ABS unless the fault is within the ABS. In other words, ABS is fully functional with the other components defective and it's independant.If ABS was at fault then the ESP system would be turned off as it needs all modules that contribute to it as a package to be functional.Since ABS is reported to be fully functional, no ABS warning lamp, suggest wheel sensor is ok.I'm wondering if the fault could be the HECU itself because the pump and all the other electronic sytems are part of that one unit. ( excld yaw sensor, steering sensors)Factory level scan and any code report would be interesting to see what may be reported, if anything?Plot thickens OK we are agreeing on everything except wheel sensor.Let me add this, have driven an FD with bad wheel alignment, ESP on, turned out of Hulc.... Rd and went into drift as one back wheel locked tight. Corrected drift through well recognized lightning reflex and switching ESP off.
Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 01:55:50Quote from: tw2005 on March 24, 2019, 01:11:28Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 00:03:47Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!!Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop. Faulty ABS sensor (wheel sensor) will shut down ABS system, conventional braking will remain.reading the information above leads me to believe that a defect in the ESP / ESC system will not shutdown ABS unless the fault is within the ABS. In other words, ABS is fully functional with the other components defective and it's independant.If ABS was at fault then the ESP system would be turned off as it needs all modules that contribute to it as a package to be functional.Since ABS is reported to be fully functional, no ABS warning lamp, suggest wheel sensor is ok.I'm wondering if the fault could be the HECU itself because the pump and all the other electronic sytems are part of that one unit. ( excld yaw sensor, steering sensors)Factory level scan and any code report would be interesting to see what may be reported, if anything?Plot thickens OK we are agreeing on everything except wheel sensor.Let me add this, have driven an FD with bad wheel alignment, ESP on, turned out of Hulc.... Rd and went into drift as one back wheel locked tight. Corrected drift through well recognized lightning reflex and switching ESP off. Is there video of this miraculous piece of driving? Lay off the handbrake Can't agree on wheel sensor , it can't be so.
Quote from: tw2005 on March 24, 2019, 03:39:16Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 01:55:50Quote from: tw2005 on March 24, 2019, 01:11:28Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 00:03:47Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!! Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop. Faulty ABS sensor (wheel sensor) will shut down ABS system, conventional braking will remain.reading the information above leads me to believe that a defect in the ESP / ESC system will not shutdown ABS unless the fault is within the ABS. In other words, ABS is fully functional with the other components defective and it's independant.If ABS was at fault then the ESP system would be turned off as it needs all modules that contribute to it as a package to be functional.Since ABS is reported to be fully functional, no ABS warning lamp, suggest wheel sensor is ok.I'm wondering if the fault could be the HECU itself because the pump and all the other electronic sytems are part of that one unit. ( excld yaw sensor, steering sensors)Factory level scan and any code report would be interesting to see what may be reported, if anything?Plot thickens OK we are agreeing on everything except wheel sensor.Let me add this, have driven an FD with bad wheel alignment, ESP on, turned out of Hulc.... Rd and went into drift as one back wheel locked tight. Corrected drift through well recognized lightning reflex and switching ESP off. Is there video of this miraculous piece of driving? Lay off the handbrake Can't agree on wheel sensor , it can't be so. Of course, I video my whole day you idiot. Beard often gets in the way, so this time I cant help with your poor driving skill .
Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 01:55:50Quote from: tw2005 on March 24, 2019, 01:11:28Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 00:03:47Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!! Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop. Faulty ABS sensor (wheel sensor) will shut down ABS system, conventional braking will remain.reading the information above leads me to believe that a defect in the ESP / ESC system will not shutdown ABS unless the fault is within the ABS. In other words, ABS is fully functional with the other components defective and it's independant.If ABS was at fault then the ESP system would be turned off as it needs all modules that contribute to it as a package to be functional.Since ABS is reported to be fully functional, no ABS warning lamp, suggest wheel sensor is ok.I'm wondering if the fault could be the HECU itself because the pump and all the other electronic sytems are part of that one unit. ( excld yaw sensor, steering sensors)Factory level scan and any code report would be interesting to see what may be reported, if anything?Plot thickens OK we are agreeing on everything except wheel sensor.Let me add this, have driven an FD with bad wheel alignment, ESP on, turned out of Hulc.... Rd and went into drift as one back wheel locked tight. Corrected drift through well recognized lightning reflex and switching ESP off. Is there video of this miraculous piece of driving? Lay off the handbrake Can't agree on wheel sensor , it can't be so.
Quote from: tw2005 on March 24, 2019, 01:11:28Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 00:03:47Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!! Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop. Faulty ABS sensor (wheel sensor) will shut down ABS system, conventional braking will remain.reading the information above leads me to believe that a defect in the ESP / ESC system will not shutdown ABS unless the fault is within the ABS. In other words, ABS is fully functional with the other components defective and it's independant.If ABS was at fault then the ESP system would be turned off as it needs all modules that contribute to it as a package to be functional.Since ABS is reported to be fully functional, no ABS warning lamp, suggest wheel sensor is ok.I'm wondering if the fault could be the HECU itself because the pump and all the other electronic sytems are part of that one unit. ( excld yaw sensor, steering sensors)Factory level scan and any code report would be interesting to see what may be reported, if anything?Plot thickens OK we are agreeing on everything except wheel sensor.Let me add this, have driven an FD with bad wheel alignment, ESP on, turned out of Hulc.... Rd and went into drift as one back wheel locked tight. Corrected drift through well recognized lightning reflex and switching ESP off.
Quote from: nzenigma on March 24, 2019, 00:03:47Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!! Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop. Faulty ABS sensor (wheel sensor) will shut down ABS system, conventional braking will remain.reading the information above leads me to believe that a defect in the ESP / ESC system will not shutdown ABS unless the fault is within the ABS. In other words, ABS is fully functional with the other components defective and it's independant.If ABS was at fault then the ESP system would be turned off as it needs all modules that contribute to it as a package to be functional.Since ABS is reported to be fully functional, no ABS warning lamp, suggest wheel sensor is ok.I'm wondering if the fault could be the HECU itself because the pump and all the other electronic sytems are part of that one unit. ( excld yaw sensor, steering sensors)Factory level scan and any code report would be interesting to see what may be reported, if anything?Plot thickens
Quote from: tw2005 on March 23, 2019, 23:03:39Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!! Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?I cant see why not. Too dangerous. ABS pump stops the brakes from locking up. In theory, if the sensors misread , giving signal that wheels have stopped, then brake pressure is reduced.I run the Z3 without ESC even connected. Usually stop.
Quote from: nzenigma on March 23, 2019, 22:58:33Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!! Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires. But would ABS still function if faulty wheel sensor?
Quote from: Spongey on March 23, 2019, 22:05:18Manual reffers to it as esc (orange light, car with wavy lines coming out of it), confusingly it seems the 1st gen fd was esp I am more than happy to be corrected on any of this though!! Same thing essentially- remember our conversation last week FD has ESP; GD ESC.My first port of call would be a sensor at a wheel, especially given Euro road conditions.ABS is linked because of brake operation and vehicle speed, info that ESC requires.
Thanks both I think it is increasingly looking like I am going to have to get the codes read with a better ODB reader.The lack of VSC doesn't bother me massively, it is the first car I have had with it! Was very strange the first time it functioned it felt like something had grabbed the back of the car. The Orange light is annoying and is an MOT fail in the UK, which is due Sept for this car so need to get it sorted before then.I am quite tempted with the Delphi 150e ODB clone, will report back if I end up getting one and it works! Otherwise will report back when I manage to figure out which code is causing the ESC to fail.
£40 so may be worth a punt, or may just run it into local indi garage they will hopefully be able to read the module code
Yes, 110PS Diesel