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Steady all. Some of this is posturing. It remains to be seen how much is rejected because it contravenes Federal laws. There's a way to go before it hits the frontlines.It does send a message though.
Another day.....Another CMG member who is on a suspended sentence, who was charged and given bail for the 'riot' last week, gets caught again and charged with steroid offences, and gets bail...... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/bandidos-gold-coast-president-adam-christopher-white-granted-bail-20131014-2vho2.html
Why would anyone want criminal gangs to flourish in a civilised society?
Quote from: db08 on October 15, 2013, 11:54:34Why would anyone want criminal gangs to flourish in a civilised society? You're just not getting it, Dave...It's not about the gangs. It wouldn't matter who it was, everyone, be it omg's, paedophiles, murderers or whatever...as much as we might despise them, in a civilised society they are still entitled to the same rights & laws as anyone else.Start singling out a particular group of people for "special" treatment and you're potentially opening a huge can of worms...
Quote from: rustynutz on October 15, 2013, 13:57:50Quote from: db08 on October 15, 2013, 11:54:34Why would anyone want criminal gangs to flourish in a civilised society? You're just not getting it, Dave...It's not about the gangs. It wouldn't matter who it was, everyone, be it omg's, paedophiles, murderers or whatever...as much as we might despise them, in a civilised society they are still entitled to the same rights & laws as anyone else.Start singling out a particular group of people for "special" treatment and you're potentially opening a huge can of worms...You've got that right, Rusty.
Are you serious?
Quote from: rustynutz on October 16, 2013, 00:47:42Are you serious? I suggest we change the title of this thread to "Do Criminal Organisations deserve special treatment or should we let them get away with murder."
Of course, that's why there are discrimination laws.
It really saddens me to see "supposedly" intelligent people ignoring people 's rights & entitlements to be treated equally before a court of law...As Deryn Hinch used to say...SHAME SHAME SHAME!
That's where you're wrong, Dave, I'm not supporting organised crime, I'm supporting human rights and the rights of people regardless of who they are, to be treated equally.There are already laws in place to convict these people if they are found guilty so to be changing the laws for a particular group is just plain wrong...
I'm not condoning any crimes, regardless of whether it's OMG's or your basic crim....to be accused of that is quite insulting. Trying to blur the real issue with the emotional bullshit doesn't change the fact that what the Government is doing is wrong....and it's not just me that is saying it.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/queensland-widens-bikie-law-assault-with-plans-for-jobs-bans/story-e6frg6nf-1226740804229
Was it aimed at you?
"The fact that there have been so many arrests indicates that existing laws are sufficient without the need to enact laws aimed directly at bikie gangs. We do not need to enact laws aimed directly at bikie gangs or other groups, but we do need to give more resources, more funding and more support to our police officers." (Page 3621)"While I agree that people need to be protected from organised crime, there must also be the protection of personal liberties such as the freedom of association. The Premier and the Minister for Police, Corrective Services and Emergency Services have stated that people who do the right thing have nothing to fear. I will repeat that: people who do the right thing have nothing to fear. I say to the people of Queensland that, with this government, they do have something to fear. This bill encroaches on their personal freedoms and liberties. A government that tries to remove these freedoms and liberties is a government that is to be feared." (Page 3621)"This bill is an attack on the right of freedom of association. While it is currently intended for motorcycle gangs, once again this bill does not mention the term ‘bikie’ or ‘motorcycle gangs’, and this piece of legislation could be used against any group that may fall into disfavour regardless of the purpose of their gathering." (Page 3621)"Another essential freedom and one that goes to the heart of our legal system is the right to a fair trial. Every person in Queensland, regardless of whether they are part of organised crime, has the right to a fair trial. In effect, this bill removes that right. It removes the rule of evidence. It lowers the standard of the burden of proof that is ordinarily required in criminal proceedings from being beyond reasonable doubt to the standard that is required in civil proceedings. It allows for the employment of people in certain occupations to be refused merely on the reliance of criminal intelligence without them even having a conviction of a criminal offence. This bill denies the rules of natural justice. It introduces anti-association laws." (Page 3621)"We are talking about tampering with people’s rights to associate. That could be broadly interpreted. How can we place control orders on someone who may be innocently associating with others who may be conspiring in a criminal activity and they have no idea, but we are going to punish them?" (Page 3622)"Here we have the Labor government trying to enact a bill that will erode the right of freedom of association that could result in the prosecution of people based on race, ethnicity or membership of a social group and that seeks to be a one-size-fits-all, knee-jerk response. That is not the answer to the complex problem of organised crime." (Page 3622)"The issue here should not be about the associations of individuals, it should be about the crimes committed. If I look at all those people I have just mentioned and look across the table here, one could potentially argue that the Queensland Labor Party is a serious criminal organisation because five of its members are in jail, have served jail or are currently before the CMC and there are certainly those on that side of the House who have associated with them." (Page 3623)"I challenge the members opposite to not simply toe the party line but to come on this side and support the right to freedom of association in this state." (Page 3623)
